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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
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	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:22:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d5a6640-2f14-4d80-bc5e-4d8274251793@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b9b75d1-eb8e-494a-b05f-59f75c92e6ae@marcan.st>

On 2/3/25 19:46, Hector Martin wrote:
> Adding Linus
> 
> My 2c: If Linus doesn't pipe up with an authoritative answer to this
> thread, Miguel and the other Rust folks should just merge this series
> once it is reviewed and ready, ignoring Christoph's overt attempt at
> sabotaging the project.

Hold your horses...  I agree that they should just merge the series in 
the unlikely event that Linus doesn't chime in over the next two months, 
but I would very strongly suggest that it's sent to Linus (assuming he 
doesn't jump in now) as a separate pull request.

This is almost always a good thing to do when you have commits that 
merit specific attention (example: 
https://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2109.2/10311.html).

My 2 cents as someone that is certainly not any kind of VIP, but has 
been in MAINTAINERS for quite a while.

> Rust folks: Please don't waste your time and mental cycles on drama like
> this. It's not worth your time. Either Linus likes it, or he doesn't.
> Everything else is distractions orchestrated by a subset of saboteur
> maintainers who are trying to demoralize you until you give up, because
> they know they're going to be on the losing side of history sooner or
> later. No amount of sabotage from old entrenched maintainers is going to
> stop the world from moving forward towards memory-safe languages.

I have a question, which is unrelated to my opinion of Rust for Linux: 
in what way do you think this tirade is actually helping?

> FWIW, in my opinion, the "cancer" comment from Christoph would be enough
> to qualify for Code-of-Conduct action, but I doubt anything of the sort
> will happen.

FWIW I agree that it was borderline and probably on the wrong side of 
the edge.  But I am happy for one that Christoph has since expanded 
beyond the "cancer" comment, because that's at least a technical 
argument, unlike yours above.

Paolo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-03 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-08 12:27 [PATCH v8 0/2] Add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 13:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:16     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-08 15:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:21         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-09  8:08           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-09  8:49             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-10  8:39               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-10 10:41                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:17                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:57                     ` Robin Murphy
2025-01-16 15:57                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-17 13:56                         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-17 19:10                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-28 10:14                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-28  9:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 21:33                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-31  7:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03  8:17                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-04  5:29                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30 13:19                       ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 13:35                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-30 13:43                           ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 15:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-30 16:11                           ` Greg KH
2025-01-30 17:24                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-31  7:47                               ` Greg KH
2025-01-31 13:54                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 18:46                                   ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 23:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:22                                     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2025-02-03 23:05                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-05 18:52                                     ` On community influencing (was Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.) Simona Vetter
2025-02-05 20:36                                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-06  9:19                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-06 17:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 12:16                                             ` Dr. Greg
2025-02-08  4:26                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  4:32                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  8:31                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  9:41                                                   ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-10 10:24                                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-13  3:49                                                       ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13  6:41                                                         ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-13  9:50                                                           ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13 11:34                                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-08 20:44                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-09  0:47                                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-09  3:42                                                 ` comex
2025-02-13 10:20                                                 ` David Airlie
2025-02-20 16:24                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-20 16:37                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 16:52                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-13 19:52                                                 ` Ronja Meyer
2025-02-13 19:22                                             ` 33KK
2025-02-06 19:37                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-06 20:16                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 17:14                                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-07 18:02                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:16                                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-09  8:25                                                     ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-10 17:28                                                       ` Mark Brown
2025-02-14  7:10                                                         ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-14 19:49                                                           ` Al Viro
2025-02-19 15:03                                                           ` Mark Brown
2025-02-07 18:33                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 19:18                                                     ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:53                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-02-07  9:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:20                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:51                                           ` Greg KH
2025-02-07 13:49                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-07 14:54                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  7:52                                             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-08 23:55       ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09  6:44         ` David Airlie
2025-02-09 16:19           ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09 16:28             ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-01-08 18:08   ` Daniel Sedlak
2025-01-08 19:09     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-09 11:14       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-09 11:19         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-09 11:32         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-10  8:07           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-12  0:41   ` kernel test robot
2025-02-04 16:54   ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-05  2:41     ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-10  8:54 ` [PATCH v8 0/2] Add " Pyrex
2025-02-10  9:09   ` Danilo Krummrich

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