From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
Cc: "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 04/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 10:44:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7eea6ee3-4a9e-4eb5-b412-2ece02b33c6c@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87jz4tzhcs.fsf@kernel.org>
On Mon, Jun 30, 2025 at 11:52:35AM +0200, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com> writes:
> > Well, a non-atomic read vs an atomic read is not a data race (for both
> > Rust memory model and LKMM), so your proposal is overly restricted.
>
> OK, my mistake then. I thought mixing marked and plain accesses would be
> considered a race. I got hat from
> `tools/memory-model/Documentation/explanation.txt`:
>
> A "data race"
> occurs when there are two memory accesses such that:
>
> 1. they access the same location,
>
> 2. at least one of them is a store,
>
> 3. at least one of them is plain,
>
> 4. they occur on different CPUs (or in different threads on the
> same CPU), and
>
> 5. they execute concurrently.
>
> I did not study all that documentation, so I might be missing a point or
> two.
You missed point 2 above: at least one of the accesses has to be a
store. When you're looking at a non-atomic read vs. an atomic read,
both of them are loads and so it isn't a data race.
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-30 14:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-18 16:49 [PATCH v5 00/10] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 01/10] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 8:44 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-27 14:00 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 02/10] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 8:50 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-26 10:17 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-27 14:30 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-06-19 10:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-19 12:19 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-19 13:29 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-19 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-19 15:00 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-19 15:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-19 15:15 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-19 18:04 ` Alan Stern
2025-06-21 11:18 ` Gary Guo
2025-06-23 2:48 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 12:36 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-27 14:34 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-27 14:44 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 11:32 ` Gary Guo
2025-06-23 5:19 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 11:54 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 12:58 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 18:30 ` Gary Guo
2025-06-23 19:09 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 23:27 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24 16:35 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 13:54 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-04 21:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-04 22:05 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-04 22:30 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-04 22:49 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-04 23:21 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-04 20:25 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-04 20:45 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-04 21:17 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-04 22:38 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-04 23:21 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-05 8:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-05 15:38 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-05 21:43 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-26 12:15 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-27 15:01 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-30 9:52 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-30 14:44 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2025-07-01 8:54 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-01 14:50 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-02 8:33 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 11:37 ` Gary Guo
2025-06-23 5:23 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 13:12 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-28 3:03 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-30 10:16 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-30 14:51 ` Alan Stern
2025-06-30 15:12 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-27 8:58 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-27 13:53 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-28 6:12 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-28 7:31 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-28 8:00 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-30 15:24 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-30 15:27 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-30 15:50 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 06/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 11:41 ` Gary Guo
2025-06-26 12:39 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-28 3:04 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 12:47 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 12:49 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 09/10] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<*mut T> Boqun Feng
2025-06-18 16:49 ` [PATCH v5 10/10] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-06-26 13:36 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-28 3:42 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-30 9:54 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 20:22 ` [PATCH v5 00/10] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Alice Ryhl
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