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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
	ojeda@kernel.org, aliceryhl@google.com, bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com,
	dakr@kernel.org, gary@garyguo.net, lossin@kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, tmgross@umich.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/2] Add support for print exactly once
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:02:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jyzx6ix5.fsf@t14s.mail-host-address-is-not-set> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRIN4U8L4-wQjyHj@tardis.local>

Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 01:16:44PM +0100, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>> Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 08:12:31AM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 05 Nov 2025 21:59:06 +0100
>> >> Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > "FUJITA Tomonori" <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> > 
>> >> >> This adds the Rust equivalent of the kernel's DO_ONCE_LITE and
>> >> >> pr_*_once macros.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A proposal for this feature was made in the past [1], but it didn't
>> >> >> reach consensus on the implementation and wasn't merged. After reading
>> >> >> the previous discussions, I implemented it using a different approach.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In the previous proposal, a structure equivalent to std::sync::Once
>> >> >> was implemented to realize the DO_ONCE_LITE macro. The approach tried
>> >> >> to provide Once-like semantics by using two atomic values. As pointed
>> >> >> out in the previous review comments, I think this approach tries to
>> >> >> provide more functionality than needed, making it unnecessarily
>> >> >> complex. Also, because data structures in the .data..once section can
>> >> >> be cleared at any time (via debugfs clear_warn_once), an
>> >> >> implementation using two atomics wouldn't work correctly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Therefore, I decided to drop the idea of emulating Once and took a
>> >> >> minimal approach to implement DO_ONCE_LITE with only one atomic
>> >> >> variable. While it would be possible to implement the feature entirely
>> >> >> as a Rust macro, the functionality that can be implemented as regular
>> >> >> functions has been extracted and implemented as the OnceLite struct
>> >> >> for better code readability.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course, unlike the previous proposal, this uses LKMM atomics.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Please consider if it makes sense to base this on `SetOnce`. It is in
>> >> > linux-next now, but was on list here [1].
>> >> 
>> >> Data placed in the .data..once section can be zero-cleared when a user
>> >> writes to debugfs clear_warn_once. In that case, would such data still
>> >> be considered a valid SetOnce value?
>> >> 
>> >
>> > It's still a valid value I believe. In term of data races, Rust and C
>> > have no difference, so if writing to debugfs could cause issues in Rust,
>> > it would cause issues in C as well.
>> 
>> @Tomo you are right, `SetOnce` would not work with someone (debugfs)
>> asynchronously modifying the state atomic variable. It requires
>> exclusive access while writing the contained value.
>> 
>
> I mean if we were to use `SetOnce` in pr_*_once(), we should just use
> `SetOnce<()>`, and the problem you mentioned doesn't exist in this case.

At the very least it would break the type invariants and assumptions of
the `SetOnce` type. There a race condition between `SetOnce::as_ref` and
`SetOnce::populate`. I don't think we are allowed to race like this,
even if the type is `()`?

At any rate if we do this, we should update the safety invariant of
`SetOnce` to state that it is valid to revert the type back to the
initial state for zero sized types that do not have a `Drop`
implementation.


Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg




  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-11  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2025-11-05  5:47 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] Add support for print exactly once FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05  5:47   ` [PATCH v1 1/2] rust: Add support for calling a function " FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05  9:21     ` Onur Özkan
2025-11-05 10:35       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-05 10:32     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-06  0:34       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05 16:19     ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-06  0:10       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-06 14:46         ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-07  9:03           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-10  9:21             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-10 16:14               ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-10 16:37                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-11-10 16:55                   ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-11 21:42                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-11-11  3:09                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-11  5:17                   ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-11  9:12                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-11 23:38                       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  9:04                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-15 13:37                           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-11 21:43                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  1:30                       ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12  2:23                         ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12  9:10                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-14 15:03                           ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12 13:17                         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05  5:47   ` [PATCH v1 2/2] rust: Add pr_*_once macros FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05 10:33     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-05 20:59   ` [PATCH v1 0/2] Add support for print exactly once Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-05 23:12     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-06 14:31       ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-10 12:16         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-10 16:08           ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-11  9:02             ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2025-11-12  0:45               ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  1:04                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12  1:18                   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  1:35                     ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-13  9:55                       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-11  1:28           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-13 10:07   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-13 11:18     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-13 12:06       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-14  0:47         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-14  0:57           ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-14  1:12             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-14  1:19               ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-14  9:48                 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-14 13:55                   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-14 13:47                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-13 15:20       ` Boqun Feng

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