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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Christoph Lameter" <cl@gentwo.org>,
	"David Rientjes" <rientjes@google.com>,
	"Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Harry Yoo" <harry@kernel.org>, "Hao Li" <hao.li@linux.dev>,
	"Daniel Gomez" <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 03/11] rust: xarray: add `XArrayState`
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2026 11:48:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pkz328t0.fsf@t14s.mail-host-address-is-not-set> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <66630DA9-0546-4211-BF30-C99123B76E5B@collabora.com>

Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com> writes:

> Hi Andreas,
>
> My main worry here is cursor invalidation, i.e.: what happens if someone
> mutates the tree while we have live instances of XArrayState handed out via
> patch 7? For example, what if someone writes "self.state.guard.remove(...)"
> inside the kernel crate itself while some user code has an OccupiedEntry?

The type system handles this. Obtaining `Entry` requires a mutable
reference whose lifetime is extended to the `Entry`. So while entry is
alive, it is not possible to construct `XArrayState`.

For the operations directly on `Guard` that require shared ownership,
multiple `XArrayState` instances may exist at the same time. But as
these are only used for reads and can never modify the tree,
invalidation can not occur.

>
> I think this could be solved by hiding XArrayState in its own module and
> exposing only a small set of checked helpers while its fields remain private so
> that we carefully vet against the situation above.

I did not consider safe code within the xarray module modifying the
fields of the state object. Do we really need to handle that?

> Additionally we have to ensure that, in order to get the guard, one must
> destroy the XArrayState, for the same reason. This is currently the case with
> into_guard() IIUC, but I think it's worth to spell it out in the
> invariant section.

Since users outside of the module cannot construct `Guard` safely, I
don't think this is an issue?

But, something is not right. I did not consider the safety of
`XArrayState::new`, because it is a private method. But it should be
unsafe as it is, because it allows insert operations with only a shared
reference to the guard.

I think if I just gate he modifying operations (only
`XArrayState::insert` for now) on `R` being a mutable reference to the
guard, we should be fine?


Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg



  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-27  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-04 19:58 [PATCH v4 00/11] rust: xarray: add entry API with preloading Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] rust: xarray: minor formatting fixes Andreas Hindborg
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     [not found]     ` <20260604201631.450B51F00893@smtp.kernel.org>
2026-06-09 10:57       ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-09 12:36         ` Gary Guo
2026-08-26 21:42   ` Daniel Almeida
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] rust: xarray: add debug format for `StoreError` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-05 15:15   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-06-09  8:06     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-26 21:43   ` Daniel Almeida
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] rust: xarray: add `XArrayState` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-05 15:15   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-06-09  8:38     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-27  0:55   ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-27  9:48     ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] rust: xarray: use `xas_load` instead of `xa_load` in `Guard::load` Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-27  0:59   ` Daniel Almeida
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] rust: xarray: simplify `Guard::load` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-05 15:15   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-06-09  8:39     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-27  1:04   ` Daniel Almeida
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] rust: xarray: add `find_next` and `find_next_mut` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-05 15:15   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-08-25 12:43     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-27  1:14   ` Daniel Almeida
2026-08-27  9:49     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] rust: xarray: add entry API Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-05 15:15   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-08-25 12:49     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] rust: mm: add abstractions for allocating from a `sheaf` Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] rust: mm: sheaf: allow use of C initialized static caches Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] xarray, radix-tree: enable sheaf support for kmem_cache Andreas Hindborg
2026-06-04 19:58 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] rust: xarray: add preload API Andreas Hindborg

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