From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from 002.mia.mailroute.net (002.mia.mailroute.net [199.89.3.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 598682528E6; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=199.89.3.5 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1739998544; cv=none; b=qcelu+yeIMEhRCpjmnCmiPGyUNlQbDwJs7deKk+L5AFYO+iy15yOjojKE+FYlwUQtyOsNX7GUXC4uGXn8YKAEj/Ss+3l5F6QQh6Fr2+22v7GRogoEQvdhDSZaFjZQ5B/zmjJZqIsebt1JgTGx9h0upLeJ0cd6FoZ75pZ/7lYcpk= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1739998544; c=relaxed/simple; bh=czMByyYReIpUlR6GzNLR1SALmS9l1XM4mmWYhV9IfLM=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=lIqGokDytUTUiklRAH0ORJ6xlmcSufXCpBHDQNiyy/8C20Xb/Sw3S7dvK2HbAbu2FYOmM3rrMCy510O4p15s1HZoluYxGsZbRIOMma+ekIMWzf/D3wyISwAjSYvivxpuq52IDn0imSKJkfCPEa/PQI31Fp22g/5EfFH+nhRW7H0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=acm.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=acm.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=acm.org header.i=@acm.org header.b=N4/a9lUP; arc=none smtp.client-ip=199.89.3.5 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=acm.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=acm.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=acm.org header.i=@acm.org header.b="N4/a9lUP" Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 002.mia.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YypVg5hFzzlsBGD; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:52:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=acm.org; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :from:from:content-language:references:subject:subject :user-agent:mime-version:date:date:message-id:received:received; s=mr01; t=1739998346; x=1742590347; bh=czMByyYReIpUlR6GzNLR1SAL mS9l1XM4mmWYhV9IfLM=; b=N4/a9lUP5L6UKs/agVhzbsZ0TIWrZE/+ExuiLCb5 0qFSMK8zpFReC0lckEdW/kEeGlbsGBY5HME5QA/U2VWvDwpYRafvkM3I+h/dIIt5 lXGlgENhlQRokMW5QW8Lx39uOaXKp52xjE7fDfhZbpK7S2mg5QyP28CXpDlsArs/ jBeh8I5yx0BW3nK1wXtLg5k+PWpiN61TTjVANrTN96NCqW0jMg7RPBYSizMx1hFb Ex/ikitJQuXDZa/r3hoLBAhCcgZKnSmuJi+7sojAXW+uE8llJnmOJ9XnC8FQtnN7 rkengsBmMoO2fzrIA1jZoqBUa0VbULqvPK1jdEdT96g4Dw== X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from 002.mia.mailroute.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (002.mia [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10029) with LMTP id pk2laRYKX8zR; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [100.66.154.22] (unknown [104.135.204.82]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bvanassche@acm.org) by 002.mia.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4YypVV3frrzlsCZW; Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <97841173-1de8-4221-8bf3-3470a5ac98a7@acm.org> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 12:52:14 -0800 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Rust kernel policy To: Steven Rostedt , Jason Gunthorpe Cc: Kees Cook , Miguel Ojeda , Christoph Hellwig , rust-for-linux , Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , David Airlie , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev References: <202502191026.8B6FD47A1@keescook> <20250219140821.27fa1e8a@gandalf.local.home> <202502191117.8E1BCD4615@keescook> <20250219202751.GA42073@nvidia.com> <20250219154610.30dc6223@gandalf.local.home> Content-Language: en-US From: Bart Van Assche In-Reply-To: <20250219154610.30dc6223@gandalf.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/19/25 12:46 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote: > I do feel that new drivers written in Rust would help with the > vulnerabilities that new drivers usually add to the kernel. For driver developers it is easier to learn C than to learn Rust. I'm not sure that all driver developers, especially the "drive by" developers, have the skills to learn Rust. Bart.