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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Masami Hiramatsu" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"Jason Baron" <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Tracepoints and static branch/call in Rust
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 17:46:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH5fLgi4zs5ehDCEgkxPzaamNKn_2cP5+qH8KTy4ujdf2_D-vA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd4a58d9-3e0a-49d1-8a74-bc9d53fc2dfd@efficios.com>

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 5:25 PM Mathieu Desnoyers
<mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>
> On 2024-06-06 11:05, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > This implementation implements support for static keys in Rust so that
> > the actual static branch will end up in the Rust object file. However,
> > it would also be possible to just wrap the trace_##name generated by
> > __DECLARE_TRACE in an extern C function and then call that from Rust.
> > This will simplify the Rust code by removing the need for static
> > branches and calls, but it places the static branch behind an external
> > call, which has performance implications.
>
> The tracepoints try very hard to minimize overhead of dormant tracepoints
> so it is not frowned-upon to have them built into production binaries.
> This is needed to make sure distribution vendors keep those tracepoints
> in the kernel binaries that reach end-users.
>
> Adding a function call before evaluation of the static branch goes against
> this major goal.
>
> >
> > A possible middle ground would be to place just the __DO_TRACE body in
> > an extern C function and to implement the Rust wrapper by doing the
> > static branch in Rust, and then calling into C the code that contains
> > __DO_TRACE when the tracepoint is active. However, this would need some
> > changes to include/linux/tracepoint.h to generate and export a function
> > containing the body of __DO_TRACE when the tracepoint should be callable
> > from Rust.
>
> This tradeoff is more acceptable than having a function call before
> evaluation of the static branch, but I wonder what is the upside of
> this tradeoff compared to inlining the whole __DO_TRACE in Rust ?
>
> > So in general, there is a tradeoff between placing parts of the
> > tracepoint (which is perf sensitive) behind an external call, and having
> > code duplicated in both C and Rust (which must be kept in sync when
> > changes are made). This is an important point that I would like feedback
> > on from the C maintainers.
>
> I don't see how the duplication happens there: __DO_TRACE is meant to be
> inlined into each C tracepoint caller site, so the code is already meant
> to be duplicated. Having an explicit function wrapping the tracepoint
> for Rust would just create an extra instance of __DO_TRACE if it happens
> to be also inlined into C code.
>
> Or do you meant you would like to prevent having to duplicate the
> implementation of __DO_TRACE in both C and Rust ?
>
> I'm not sure if you mean to prevent source code duplication between
> C and Rust or duplication of binary code (instructions).

It's a question of maintenance burden. If you change how __DO_TRACE is
implemented, then those changes must also be reflected in the Rust
version. There's no issue in the binary code.

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-06 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-06 15:05 [PATCH 0/3] Tracepoints and static branch/call in Rust Alice Ryhl
2024-06-06 15:05 ` [PATCH 1/3] rust: add static_call support Alice Ryhl
2024-06-06 17:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 19:09     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-06 19:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-07  9:43         ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-07 10:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-07 11:08             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-07 11:46             ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-06-06 15:05 ` [PATCH 2/3] rust: add static_key_false Alice Ryhl
2024-06-06 15:38   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-06-06 16:19     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-06 17:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 15:05 ` [PATCH 3/3] rust: add tracepoint support Alice Ryhl
2024-06-06 15:30   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-06-06 15:49     ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-06 16:18       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-06-06 17:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 19:00         ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-06 19:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 23:50             ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-06 16:16     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-06 16:21       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-06-06 17:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 15:25 ` [PATCH 0/3] Tracepoints and static branch/call in Rust Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-06-06 15:46   ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2024-06-06 16:17     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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