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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
Cc: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@gmail.com>,
	"Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, "Maíra Canal" <mcanal@igalia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: types: add FOREIGN_ALIGN to ForeignOwnable
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:24:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH5fLgiNikpTfm6nvyEJaEspPkMNRQSX2XmBXvXktpXQLutDPg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878qlyzd9a.fsf@kernel.org>

On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 2:14 PM Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
>
> > On Wed Jun 11, 2025 at 12:43 PM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> >> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
> >>
> >>> On Tue Jun 10, 2025 at 4:15 PM CEST, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2025 at 4:10 PM Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > On Tue Jun 10, 2025 at 1:30 PM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> >>>>> >> diff --git a/rust/kernel/types.rs b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> >>>>> >> index 22985b6f6982..0ccef6b5a20a 100644
> >>>>> >> --- a/rust/kernel/types.rs
> >>>>> >> +++ b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> >>>>> >> @@ -21,15 +21,11 @@
> >>>>> >>  ///
> >>>>> >>  /// # Safety
> >>>>> >>  ///
> >>>>> >> -/// Implementers must ensure that [`into_foreign`] returns a pointer which meets the alignment
> >>>>> >> -/// requirements of [`PointedTo`].
> >>>>> >> -///
> >>>>> >> -/// [`into_foreign`]: Self::into_foreign
> >>>>> >> -/// [`PointedTo`]: Self::PointedTo
> >>>>> >> +/// Implementers must ensure that [`Self::into_foreign`] returns pointers aligned to
> >>>>> >> +/// [`Self::FOREIGN_ALIGN`].
> >>>>> >>  pub unsafe trait ForeignOwnable: Sized {
> >>>>> >> -    /// Type used when the value is foreign-owned. In practical terms only defines the alignment of
> >>>>> >> -    /// the pointer.
> >>>>> >> -    type PointedTo;
> >>>>> >> +    /// The alignment of pointers returned by `into_foreign`.
> >>>>> >> +    const FOREIGN_ALIGN: usize;
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>      /// Type used to immutably borrow a value that is currently foreign-owned.
> >>>>> >>      type Borrowed<'a>;
> >>>>> >> @@ -39,18 +35,20 @@ pub unsafe trait ForeignOwnable: Sized {
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>      /// Converts a Rust-owned object to a foreign-owned one.
> >>>>> >>      ///
> >>>>> >> +    /// The foreign representation is a pointer to void. Aside from the guarantees listed below,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I feel like this reads better:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > s/guarantees/ones/
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> +    /// there are no other guarantees for this pointer. For example, it might be invalid, dangling
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > We should also mention that it could be null. (or is that assumption
> >>>>> > wrong?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is probably not going to be null, but it is allowed to. I can add it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The list does not claim to be exhaustive, and a null pointer is just a
> >>>>> special case of an invalid pointer.
> >>>>
> >>>> We probably should not allow null pointers. If we do, then
> >>>> try_from_foreign does not make sense.
> >>>
> >>> That's a good point. Then let's add that as a safety requirement for the
> >>> trait.
> >>
> >> I disagree. It does not matter for the safety of the trait.
> >>
> >> From the point of the user, the pointer is opaque and can be any value.
> >> In fact, one could do a safe implementation where the returned value is
> >> a key into some mapping structure. Probably not super fast, but the user
> >> should not care.
> >
> > Then we'll have to remove `try_from_foreign`.
>
> Oh, I see. OK, it is a safety requirement. Should I just add it to this patch?

Sure, this patch is fine.

      reply	other threads:[~2025-06-11 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-10 11:30 [PATCH v2] rust: types: add FOREIGN_ALIGN to ForeignOwnable Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-10 11:37 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-06-10 11:58   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-10 12:28     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-06-10 12:49 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-10 14:10   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-10 14:15     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-11  6:36       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-11 10:43         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-11 11:51           ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-11 12:14             ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-11 12:24               ` Alice Ryhl [this message]

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