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From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Abdiel Janulgue <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>
Cc: rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, daniel.almeida@collabora.com,
	dakr@kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com, aliceryhl@google.com,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>,
	"open list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Marek Szyprowski" <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com,
	"open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 02/11] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 21:34:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8DRCM2FOEBN.3IVEVKW9A65AL@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z9B9CNRatBtyAO8Q@boqun-archlinux>

On Tue Mar 11, 2025 at 7:12 PM CET, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 07:47:58PM +0200, Abdiel Janulgue wrote:
> [...]
>> +    /// Reads the value of `field` and ensures that its type is [`FromBytes`].
>> +    ///
>> +    /// # Safety
>> +    ///
>> +    /// This must be called from the [`dma_read`] macro which ensures that the `field` pointer is
>> +    /// validated beforehand.
>> +    ///
>> +    /// Public but hidden since it should only be used from [`dma_read`] macro.
>> +    #[doc(hidden)]
>> +    pub unsafe fn field_read<F: FromBytes>(&self, field: *const F) -> F {
>> +        // SAFETY: By the safety requirements field is valid.
>> +        unsafe { field.read_volatile() }
>
> I agree with Andreas that we should document the exception of usage on
> {read,write}_volatile() here. How about:
>
> When dealing with a potential race from a hardware or code outside
> kernel (e.g. user-space program), we need that read and write on a valid
> memory are not UBs. Currently {read,write}_volatile() are used for this,

I would use the singular `UB` here and below.

> and the rationale behind is that they should generate the same code as
> READ_ONCE() and WRITE_ONCE() which kernel already relies on to avoid UBs

s/kernel/the kernel/

> on data races. Note that the usage of {read,write}_volatile() is limited
> to this particular case, they cannot be used to emit the UBs caused by

s/emit/prevent/

> racing between two kernel functions nor do they provide atomicity.
>
> Thoughts? One problem is that I don't know where to put this document
> :-( Any suggestion?

I am a bit out of the loop on this one, but why not put into the safety
comment? I.e. explicitly state that this is *not* sound as per the usual
rules and it is a special exception?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-11 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-11 17:47 [PATCH v14 00/11] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 17:47 ` [PATCH v14 01/11] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 17:47 ` [PATCH v14 02/11] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 18:12   ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-11 21:34     ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-03-11 21:39       ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 18:51       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-21 18:25   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21 19:40     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-21 20:35     ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-11 17:47 ` [PATCH v14 03/11] samples: rust: add Rust dma test sample driver Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-18 13:26   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-18 18:42     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-18 19:06       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-18 20:17       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 04/11] MAINTAINERS: add entry for Rust dma mapping helpers device driver API Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-12 12:20   ` Marek Szyprowski
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 05/11] rust: dma: implement `dma::Device` trait Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 06/11] rust: dma: add dma addressing capabilities Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-12  3:37   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-03-12  9:57     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-18 13:35   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-18 13:50   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 07/11] rust: pci: implement the `dma::Device` trait Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 08/11] rust: platform: " Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 09/11] rust: dma: use `dma::Device` in `CoherentAllocation` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-18 14:01   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 10/11] rust: samples: dma: set DMA mask Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-11 17:48 ` [PATCH v14 11/11] rust: dma: add as_slice/write functions for CoherentAllocation Abdiel Janulgue

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