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From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>, Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com>
Cc: "Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Nicolas Schier" <nicolas@fjasle.eu>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Brendan Higgins" <brendan.higgins@linux.dev>,
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	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/6] rust: use strict provenance APIs
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 00:23:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8JTC30W0NF6.17SR73Y9I99ZT@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z9lnIJCcVSza6UVo@google.com>

On Tue Mar 18, 2025 at 1:29 PM CET, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 10:23:56AM -0400, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
>> Throughout the tree, use the strict provenance APIs stabilized in Rust
>> 1.84.0[1]. Retain backwards-compatibility by introducing forwarding
>> functions at the `kernel` crate root along with polyfills for rustc <
>> 1.84.0.
>> 
>> Use `#[allow(clippy::incompatible_msrv)]` to avoid warnings on rustc <
>> 1.84.0 as our MSRV is 1.78.0.
>> 
>> In the `kernel` crate, enable the strict provenance lints on rustc >=
>> 1.84.0; do this in `lib.rs` rather than `Makefile` to avoid introducing
>> compiler flags that are dependent on the rustc version in use.
>> 
>> Link: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/01/09/Rust-1.84.0.html#strict-provenance-apis [1]
>> Suggested-by: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/D8EIXDMRXMJP.36TFCGWZBRS3Y@proton.me/
>> Signed-off-by: Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com>
>
> I'm not convinced that the pros of this change outweigh the cons. I
> think this is going to be too confusing for the C developers who look at
> this code.

1) I think we should eliminate all possible `as` conversions. They are
   non-descriptive (since they can do may *very* different things) and
   ptr2int conversions are part of that.
2) At some point we will have to move to the provenance API, since
   that's what Rust chose to do. I don't think that doing it at a later
   point is doing anyone a favor.
3) I don't understand the argument that this is confusing to C devs.
   They are just normal functions that are well-documented (and if
   that's not the case, we can just improve them upstream). And
   functions are much easier to learn about than `as` casts (those are
   IMO much more difficult to figure out than then strict provenance
   functions).

Thus I think we should keep this patch (with Boqun's improvement).

>> diff --git a/rust/kernel/uaccess.rs b/rust/kernel/uaccess.rs
>> index 719b0a48ff55..96393bcf6bd7 100644
>> --- a/rust/kernel/uaccess.rs
>> +++ b/rust/kernel/uaccess.rs
>> @@ -226,7 +226,9 @@ pub fn read_raw(&mut self, out: &mut [MaybeUninit<u8>]) -> Result {
>>          }
>>          // SAFETY: `out_ptr` points into a mutable slice of length `len`, so we may write
>>          // that many bytes to it.
>> -        let res = unsafe { bindings::copy_from_user(out_ptr, self.ptr as *const c_void, len) };
>> +        let res = unsafe {
>> +            bindings::copy_from_user(out_ptr, crate::with_exposed_provenance(self.ptr), len)
>> +        };
>>          if res != 0 {
>>              return Err(EFAULT);
>>          }
>> @@ -264,7 +266,7 @@ pub fn read<T: FromBytes>(&mut self) -> Result<T> {
>>          let res = unsafe {
>>              bindings::_copy_from_user(
>>                  out.as_mut_ptr().cast::<c_void>(),
>> -                self.ptr as *const c_void,
>> +                crate::with_exposed_provenance(self.ptr),
>>                  len,
>>              )
>>          };
>
> That's especially true for cases like this. These are userspace pointers
> that are never dereferenced. It's not useful to care about provenance
> here.

I agree for this case, but I think we shouldn't be using raw pointers
for this to begin with. I'd think that a newtype wrapping `usize` is a
much better fit. It can then also back the `IoRaw` type. AFAIU user
space pointers don't have provenance, right? (if they do, then we should
use this API :)

---
Cheers,
Benno


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-19  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-17 14:23 [PATCH v5 0/6] rust: reduce pointer casts, enable related lints Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 14:23 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] rust: retain pointer mut-ness in `container_of!` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 14:23 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] rust: enable `clippy::ptr_as_ptr` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 14:23 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] rust: enable `clippy::ptr_cast_constness` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 14:23 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] rust: enable `clippy::as_ptr_cast_mut` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 14:23 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] rust: enable `clippy::as_underscore` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 14:23 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] rust: use strict provenance APIs Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 15:04   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 17:39   ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 18:04     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 18:06       ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 18:10         ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 18:16           ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 18:50             ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 19:05               ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 20:28                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 20:35                   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 20:46                     ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 20:53                       ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 21:36                         ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-17 23:56                           ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-18  0:14                             ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-18  0:11                           ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-18  0:41                             ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-18  9:23                             ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-19 15:25                               ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-19 20:03                                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-17 17:50   ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-17 18:31     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-17 18:33       ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-18 12:29   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-18 14:08     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-19  0:23     ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-03-19 12:21       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-19 14:14         ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-19 14:42           ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-19 18:23             ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-19 20:06               ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-19 14:25         ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-19 20:02         ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-19 20:20 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] rust: reduce pointer casts, enable related lints Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-24 20:16 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-24 20:55   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-24 21:16     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-24 21:39       ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-24 21:35     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-24 21:55     ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-24 21:59       ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 11:05         ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 11:10           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-25 13:34           ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 15:33             ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 17:17               ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:22                 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:29                 ` Benno Lossin

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