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From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com>
Cc: "Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 7/7] rust: enable `clippy::ref_as_ptr` lint
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 21:09:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8QI804Q3DAS.2BV4WSL81H52Z@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-ks9ntTxBM=c5nUZWGv3MoRt-LveBchn-c1Xy-DGap7fLVRA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed Mar 26, 2025 at 8:06 PM CET, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:36 PM Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me> wrote:
>> On Wed Mar 26, 2025 at 5:57 PM CET, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
>> > In the current code you're looking at, yes. But in the code I have
>> > locally I'm transmuting `[u8]` to `BStr`. See my earlier reply where I
>> > said "Hmm, looking at this again we can just transmute ref-to-ref and
>> > avoid pointers entirely. We're already doing that in
>> > `CStr::from_bytes_with_nul_unchecked`".
>>
>> `CStr::from_bytes_with_nul_unchecked` does the transmute with
>> references. That is a usage that the docs of `transmute` explicitly
>> recommend to change to an `as` cast [1].
>
> RIght. That guidance was written in 2016
> (https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/34609) and doesn't present any
> rationale for `as` casts being preferred to transmute. I posted a
> comment in the most relevant issue I could find:
> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/34249#issuecomment-2755316610.

Not sure if that's the correct issue, maybe we should post one on the
UCG (unsafe code guidelines). But before that we probably should ask on
zulip...

>> No idea about provenance still.
>
> Well that's not surprising, nobody was thinking about provenance in
> 2016. But I really don't think we should blindly follow the advice in
> this case. It doesn't make an iota of sense to me - does it make sense
> to you?

For ptr-to-int transmutes, I know that they will probably remove
provenance, hence I am a bit cautious about using them for ptr-to-ptr or
ref-to-ref.

>> [1]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/mem/fn.transmute.html#alternatives
>>
>> >> I tried to find some existing issues about the topic and found that
>> >> there exists a clippy lint `transmute_ptr_to_ptr`. There is an issue
>> >> asking for a better justification [1] and it seems like nobody provided
>> >> one there. Maybe we should ask the opsem team what happens to provenance
>> >> when transmuting?
>> >
>> > Yeah, we should do this - but again: not relevant in this discussion.
>>
>> I think it's pretty relevant.
>
> It's not relevant because we're no longer talking about transmuting
> pointer to pointer. The two options are:
> 1. transmute reference to reference.
> 2. coerce reference to pointer, `as` cast pointer to pointer (triggers
> `ptr_as_ptr`), reborrow pointer to reference.
>
> If anyone can help me understand why (2) is better than (1), I'd
> certainly appreciate it.

I am very confident that (2) is correct. With (1) I'm not sure (see
above), so that's why I mentioned it.

---
Cheers,
Benno


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-26 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-25 20:07 [PATCH v7 0/7] rust: reduce `as` casts, enable related lints Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] rust: retain pointer mut-ness in `container_of!` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] rust: enable `clippy::ptr_as_ptr` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] rust: enable `clippy::ptr_cast_constness` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] rust: enable `clippy::as_ptr_cast_mut` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] rust: enable `clippy::as_underscore` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] rust: enable `clippy::cast_lossless` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] rust: enable `clippy::ref_as_ptr` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 22:11   ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 22:33     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 22:40       ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 23:54         ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 10:30           ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-26 10:35             ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 16:43               ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-26 16:57                 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 17:36                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-26 19:06                     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 20:47                       ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 21:09                       ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-03-26 22:09                         ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 22:15                           ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-27 14:15                             ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-27 19:44                               ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-27 22:17                                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 20:22 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] rust: reduce `as` casts, enable related lints Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-25 23:31   ` Tamir Duberstein

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