From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Boris Brezillon" <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
"Sebastian Reichel" <sebastian.reichel@collabora.com>,
"Liam Girdwood" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] rust: regulator: add a bare minimum regulator abstraction
Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 11:57:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D9Z73XZUSYWO.R0P38ASITWR7@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D9Z59JWL4BTC.3DTN0LWCJX5AZ@nvidia.com>
On Sun May 18, 2025 at 10:30 AM CEST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> On Sun May 18, 2025 at 5:14 PM JST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>> On Sun May 18, 2025 at 4:19 PM JST, Benno Lossin wrote:
>>> On Sun May 18, 2025 at 4:28 AM CEST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>>>> On Wed May 14, 2025 at 12:44 AM JST, Daniel Almeida wrote:
>>>>> +//! Regulator abstractions, providing a standard kernel interface to control
>>>>> +//! voltage and current regulators.
>>>>> +//!
>>>>> +//! The intention is to allow systems to dynamically control regulator power
>>>>> +//! output in order to save power and prolong battery life. This applies to both
>>>>> +//! voltage regulators (where voltage output is controllable) and current sinks
>>>>> +//! (where current limit is controllable).
>>>>> +//!
>>>>> +//! C header: [`include/linux/regulator/consumer.h`](srctree/include/linux/regulator/consumer.h)
>>>>> +//!
>>>>> +//! Regulators are modeled in Rust with two types: [`Regulator`] and
>>>>> +//! [`EnabledRegulator`].
>>>>> +//!
>>>>> +//! The transition between these types is done by calling
>>>>> +//! [`Regulator::enable()`] and [`EnabledRegulator::disable()`] respectively.
>>>>> +//!
>>>>> +//! Use an enum or [`kernel::types::Either`] to gracefully transition between
>>>>> +//! the two states at runtime if needed. Store [`EnabledRegulator`] directly
>>>>> +//! otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Having the enabled or disabled state baked into the type is indeed
>>>> valuable for drivers that just need to acquire and enable a regulator at
>>>> probe time. However, there are also more dynamic use cases and I don't
>>>> think the burden of managing this aspect - by either performing a manual
>>>> match to call any method (even the shared ones), or implementing custom
>>>> dispatch types (which will lead to many similar ad-hoc implementations)
>>>> - should fall on the user. Thus I strongly suggest that this module
>>>> provides a solution for this as well.
>>>>
>>>> It has been proposed earlier to use a typestate, and this would indeed
>>>> provide several benefits, the first one being the ability to have shared
>>>> impl blocks (and shared documentation) between the enabled and disabled
>>>> states for methods like set/get_voltage().
>>>>
>>>> But the key benefit I see is that it could also address the
>>>> aforementioned dynamic management problem through the introduction of a
>>>> third state.
>>>>
>>>> Alongside the `Enabled` and `Disabled` states, there would be a third
>>>> state (`Dynamic`?) in which the regulator could either be enabled or
>>>> disabled. This `Dynamic` state is the only one providing `enable` and
>>>> `disable` methods (as well as `is_enabled`) to change its operational
>>>> state without affecting its type.
>>>>
>>>> All three states then implement `set_voltage` and `get_voltage` through
>>>> a common impl block, that could be extended with other methods from the
>>>> C API that are independent of the state, as needed.
>>>>
>>>> To handle typestate transitions:
>>>>
>>>> - The `Disabled` and `Dynamic` states provide a `try_into_enabled()`
>>>> method to transition the regulator to the `Enabled` state.
>>>> - The `Enabled` and `Dynamic` states provide `try_into_disabled()`.
>>>> - `Enabled` and `Disabled` also provide `into_dynamic()` (which cannot
>>>> fail).
>>>>
>>>> Essentially, the `Enabled` and `Disabled` states simply enforce an
>>>> additional operational state invariant on the underlying regulator, and
>>>> do not provide methods to change it.
>>>>
>>>> The `Dynamic` state would be the default for `Regulator`, so by just
>>>> using `Regulator`, the user gets an interface that works very similarly
>>>> to the C API it abstracts, making it intuitive to those familiar with
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> How will the `Dynamic` typestate track the enable refcount? AFAIK one
>>> has to drop all enable refcounts before removing the regulator.
>>
>> I guess a choice has to be made about whether to just proxy the C API
>> as-is (where an unbalanced number of enable/disable calls can result in
>> a dropped regulator still being enabled), or whether to clamp the number
>> of times a Rust consumer can enable a regulator to 0 and 1 and disable
>> an enabled regulator in the destructor.
>>
>> The initial proposal does such clamping by design, but I also suspect
>> the C API behave like it does for good reasons (which I am not familiar
>> enough to be aware of unfortunately).
>
> Well after thinking a bit more about it, it is clear that is does that
> because a single consumer may need to ensure a regulator is on across
> multiple internal states. I suspect we will have Rust drivers complex
> enough to benefit from this behavior sometime soon.
>
> So I'd say the `Dynamic` state should probably mirror the C API as
> closely as possible and not try to outsmart the user. The
> `Enabled`/`Disabled` typestates will cover the simpler use-cases
> perfectly well and ensure a well-controlled enable count.
So just let users ensure that they always match each `enable` call with
a `disable` call in the `Dynamic` typestate?
That is ok, if no memory issues can arise from forgetting to do so,
otherwise those functions need to be `unsafe`. Also we should clearly
document that the `Enabled`/`Disabled` typestates should be preferred if
possible.
---
Cheers,
Benno
> I guess this also means transitions to/from `Dynamic` and the other
> states will have to be limited to the ones where we can clearly infer
> the enable count. That's probably ok anyway because I can't think of a
> reason to switch from one pattern to the other for the same regulator.
> Maybe we don't even need these transitions at all?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-18 9:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-13 15:44 [PATCH v3] rust: regulator: add a bare minimum regulator abstraction Daniel Almeida
2025-05-13 20:01 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 7:46 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 9:37 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 10:16 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 10:31 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 11:50 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 12:23 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 12:48 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 14:06 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 13:01 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-14 13:57 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 14:40 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-14 15:38 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 15:50 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 16:05 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 16:19 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-14 17:41 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-14 16:10 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-15 8:19 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 15:48 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-14 8:27 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-18 2:28 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-18 7:19 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-18 8:14 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-18 8:30 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-18 9:57 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-05-18 11:12 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-18 14:05 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-19 0:29 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-18 12:20 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-18 12:51 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-19 9:55 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-18 14:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-19 9:56 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-19 11:25 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-19 11:46 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-19 12:30 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-19 12:46 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-18 12:17 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-18 12:49 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-19 9:54 ` Mark Brown
2025-05-18 15:11 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-19 1:25 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-19 10:52 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-19 11:01 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-05-19 11:54 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-19 11:59 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-05-19 14:43 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-20 18:09 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-19 14:20 ` Alexandre Courbot
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