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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Remo Senekowitsch" <remo@buenzli.dev>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Saravana Kannan" <saravanak@google.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Dirk Behme" <dirk.behme@de.bosch.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 6/9] rust: device: Add bindings for reading device properties
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 09:21:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DA0T1M8YEHZ9.1AW3IGD1IZX7Z@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DA0EDC6W54E5.2CO8VXPTOXXJK@buenzli.dev>

On Mon May 19, 2025 at 9:51 PM CEST, Remo Senekowitsch wrote:
> On Mon May 19, 2025 at 6:55 PM CEST, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
>> On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 05:43:17PM +0200, Remo Senekowitsch wrote:
>>> On Mon May 12, 2025 at 3:36 PM CEST, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
>>> >> +/// Implemented for all integers that can be read as properties.
>>> >> +///
>>> >> +/// This helper trait is needed on top of the existing [`Property`]
>>> >> +/// trait to associate the integer types of various sizes with their
>>> >> +/// corresponding `fwnode_property_read_*_array` functions.
>>> >> +pub trait PropertyInt: Copy {
>>> >> +    /// # Safety
>>> >> +    ///
>>> >> +    /// Callers must uphold the same safety invariants as for the various
>>> >> +    /// `fwnode_property_read_*_array` functions.
>>> >
>>> > I think you have additional requirements on the fwnode, propname and val
>>> > pointers as well as on nval, please document them as well.
>>> 
>>> What are the additional requirements? The implementation just calls the
>>> underlying `fwnode_property_read_*_array` with the exact same arguments,
>>> so I don't know what the additional requirements are.
>>
>> First of all, I don't think you can refer to the safety requirements of the
>> `fwnode_property_read_*_array` functions, since they don't have any documented
>> safety requirements.

Yes. We do sometimes link to other function for safety requirements if
they are very repetitive, but in that case we use a rustdoc link (so
[`my_other_function`]).

In this case, one doesn't even have a name to search for, only the
`fwnode_property_read_` prefix (and who is going to bother doing that?).
Additionally, the functions that you are referring to are from the
`bindings`! Those functions do not have safety documentation!

Another thing, functions do not have safety invariants, they only have
safety requirements and guarantees.

>> So, I think you have safety requirements regarding pointer validity of fwnode,
>> propname and val.
>>
>> Additionally, there's the requirement that val has to be an array of nval
>> length.

Yes these two are probably required, but to be sure one would have to
dig through the C code.

>> Also, the PropertyInt trait itself has to be unsafe, given that it contains
>> unsafe functions.
>
> I don't think a trait necessarily has to be marked unsafe just because
> it has unsafe methods. Marking a trait as unsafe means that implementors
> of the trait must uphold some invariants. This is not the case here
> IIUC. Here's a good explanation of my understanding: [1]

Yes this is correct, I don't think that the trait itself should be
unsafe.

> But I should anyway seal the two traits. They're not supposed to be
> implemented outside the kernel crate.

Yes that sounds like a good idea.

I'll send a separate email for some more comments on the design.

---
Cheers,
Benno

> [1] https://users.rust-lang.org/t/safe-trait-with-an-unsafe-method/67993/3
>
>> I also pinged Benno about it, he usually knows best how to cover such things
>> properly. :)
>>
>>> >> +    unsafe fn read_array_from_fwnode_property(
>>> >> +        fwnode: *const bindings::fwnode_handle,
>>> >> +        propname: *const ffi::c_char,
>>> >> +        val: *mut Self,
>>> >> +        nval: usize,
>>> >> +    ) -> ffi::c_int;
>>> >> +}


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-20  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-04 17:31 [PATCH v4 0/9] More Rust bindings for device property reads Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 1/9] rust: device: Create FwNode abstraction for accessing device properties Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-12 13:59   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-12 14:12   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 2/9] rust: device: Enable accessing the FwNode of a Device Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 3/9] rust: device: Move property_present() to FwNode Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-12 17:29   ` Rob Herring
2025-05-12 17:44     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 4/9] rust: device: Enable printing fwnode name and path Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 5/9] rust: device: Introduce PropertyGuard Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-05  5:14   ` Dirk Behme
2025-05-05 13:02     ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-05 15:37       ` Rob Herring
2025-05-05 15:53         ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-05 16:12           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-05 18:33           ` Rob Herring
2025-05-12 17:09   ` Rob Herring
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 6/9] rust: device: Add bindings for reading device properties Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-12 13:36   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-19 15:43     ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-19 16:55       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-19 19:51         ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-20  7:21           ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-05-20  7:40             ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-20 10:37               ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-20  7:37   ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-20 10:32     ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-20 11:04       ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 7/9] rust: device: Add child accessor and iterator Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 8/9] rust: device: Add property_get_reference_args Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-04 17:31 ` [PATCH v4 9/9] samples: rust: platform: Add property read examples Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-12 13:54   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-12 11:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/9] More Rust bindings for device property reads Remo Senekowitsch
2025-05-12 12:04   ` Danilo Krummrich

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