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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Marcelo Moreira" <marcelomoreira1905@gmail.com>,
	<ojeda@kernel.org>, <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>,
	<skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	<linux-kernel-mentees@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	<~lkcamp/patches@lists.sr.ht>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/3] rust: revocable: simplify RevocableGuard for internal safety
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 19:00:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DAMF0H159M8X.2NWDQM5KQH4N0@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEwxgUjYiNaJuzc_@pollux>

On Fri Jun 13, 2025 at 4:11 PM CEST, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 09:28:26AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>> I don't think this change is valid. Consider this code:
>> 
>> fn takes_guard(arg: RevocableGuard<'_, i32>) {
>>     drop(arg);
>>     // rcu guard is dropped, so `arg.data` may become dangling now
>> }
>> 
>> This violates the requirement that references that appear in function
>> arguments are valid for the entire function call, see:
>> https://perso.crans.org/vanille/treebor/protectors.html
>> 
>> Or the LLVM perspective: When Rust sees a reference in a function
>> argument, it adds the LLVM attribute dereferencable to it, which implies
>> that the pointer must be valid for *the entire function call*. If the
>> memory becomes dangling after the rcu guard is dropped, then this is
>> violated and the compiler could perform optimizations that are not
>> correct.
>
> Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. I wonder, why can't the compiler catch this
> and throw an error?

Because the compiler doesn't know that the reference's validity is tied
to the rcu guard existing.

---
Cheers,
Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-14 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-02 23:26 [PATCH v4 0/3] rust: revocable: documentation and refactorings Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-02 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] rust: revocable: update write invariant and fix safety comments Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-12  9:02   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-12 19:22     ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-14 18:05       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-14 23:11         ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-15  8:38           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-06-16  0:36             ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-16  7:15               ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-17  2:49                 ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-17  7:18                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-26 16:59                     ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-13 14:08     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-02 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] rust: revocable: simplify RevocableGuard for internal safety Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-12  9:04   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-12  9:28   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-12  9:52     ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-12 18:52       ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-14 18:04         ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-13 14:11     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-14 17:00       ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-06-02 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] rust: revocable: split revoke_internal into revoke and revoke_nosync Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-12  9:06   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-12 19:29     ` Marcelo Moreira
2025-06-13 14:09     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-16 10:26 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] rust: revocable: documentation and refactorings Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-16 19:33   ` Miguel Ojeda

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