From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist bindings
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2025 20:18:00 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DAY4I5PUNEHR.3UBD2WCPS1ZBV@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5c72682a-ede9-4a48-a214-f1795115816b@gmail.com>
On Thu Jun 5, 2025 at 10:22 PM JST, Abdiel Janulgue wrote:
>
>
> On 30/05/2025 17:02, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>> On Thu May 29, 2025 at 9:45 AM JST, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:14:05AM +0300, Abdiel Janulgue wrote:
>>>> +impl SGEntry<Unmapped> {
>>>> + /// Set this entry to point at a given page.
>>>> + pub fn set_page(&mut self, page: &Page, length: u32, offset: u32) {
>>>> + let c: *mut bindings::scatterlist = self.0.get();
>>>> + // SAFETY: according to the `SGEntry` invariant, the scatterlist pointer is valid.
>>>> + // `Page` invariant also ensures the pointer is valid.
>>>> + unsafe { bindings::sg_set_page(c, page.as_ptr(), length, offset) };
>>>> + }
>>>> +}
>>>
>>> Wrong safety statement. sg_set_page captures the page.as_ptr() inside
>>> the C datastructure so the caller must ensure it holds a reference on
>>> the page while it is contained within the scatterlist.
>>>
>>> Which this API doesn't force to happen.
>>>
>>> Most likely for this to work for rust you have to take a page
>>> reference here and ensure the page reference is put back during sg
>>> destruction. A typical normal pattern would 'move' the reference from
>>> the caller into the scatterlist.
>>
>> As Jason mentioned, we need to make sure that the backing pages don't get
>> dropped while the `SGTable` is alive. The example provided unfortunately fails
>> to do that:
>>
>> let sgt = SGTable::alloc_table(4, GFP_KERNEL)?;
>> let sgt = sgt.init(|iter| {
>> for sg in iter {
>> sg.set_page(&Page::alloc_page(GFP_KERNEL)?, PAGE_SIZE as u32, 0);
>> }
>> Ok(())
>> })?;
>>
>> Here the allocated `Page`s are dropped immediately after their address is
>> written by `set_page`, giving the device access to memory that may now be used
>> for completely different purposes. As long as the `SGTable` exists, the memory
>> it points to must not be released or reallocated in any way.
>
>
> Hi just a silly observation while trying to think about other ways to
> tie the page lifetime to the sgtable. Why can't we just use a lifetime
> bound annotation?
>
> It's simpler and it seems to work:
>
>
> impl<'b> SGEntry<'b, Unmapped> {
> pub fn set_page<'a: 'b> (&mut self, page: &'a Page, length: u32,
> offset: u32)
>
> So with this, my erroneous example fails to compile. Here the compiler
> enforces the use of the api so that the page of the lifetime is always
> tied to the sgtable:
>
>
> let sgt = sgt.init(|iter| {
> | ---- has type
> `kernel::scatterlist::SGTableIterMut<'1>`
> 71 | for sg in iter {
> | -- assignment requires that borrow lasts for `'1`
> 72 | sg.set_page(&Page::alloc_page(GFP_KERNEL)?,
> PAGE_SIZE as u32, 0);
> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> - temporary value is freed at the end of this statement
> | |
> | creates a temporary value which is
> freed while still in use
That would work for this example, but IIUC the bound lifetime will also
prevent you from doing any sort of dynamic lifetime management using a
smart pointer, meaning you cannot store the SGTable into another object?
Whereas storing any generic owner lets use pass a regular reference
(which lifetime will thus propagate to the SGTable) to serve your
example, but also works with any smart pointer.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-28 11:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-28 22:14 [PATCH 0/2] rust: add initial scatterlist abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-05-28 22:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist bindings Abdiel Janulgue
2025-05-29 0:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29 14:14 ` Petr Tesařík
2025-05-29 14:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 14:02 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-30 14:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 14:44 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-30 14:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 15:18 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-31 12:54 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-02 11:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-02 12:25 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-02 12:41 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-04 18:21 ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-05 5:51 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-05 13:30 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-05 13:56 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-09 17:44 ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-18 1:03 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-26 20:31 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-26 22:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-26 23:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-28 11:07 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-05 13:22 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-28 11:18 ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]
2025-06-30 7:11 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-05 15:35 ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-05 16:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05 16:18 ` Boqun Feng
2025-05-30 11:04 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-28 22:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] samples: rust: add sample code for " Abdiel Janulgue
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