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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "Matthew Maurer" <mmaurer@google.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/5] rust: DebugFS Bindings
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:09:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB8BUDZQJOM5.2WS6MCW6I0XES@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB89V15HIG8C.2HL9JVKFNEDTK@kernel.org>

On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 11:36 AM CEST, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 7:27 AM CEST, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>> Ugh.
>>
>> Yes we need write.  And read, and custom file-ops, and the like as
>> that's what debugfs is doing today for C code!  We need this to be as
>> simple as, or almost as simple as, what we have today in C or no one is
>> going to use this stuff and go off and attempt to write their own mess.
>
> I agree, we really want the helpers you're referring to below. I think we
> discussed this in previous iterations already.
>
>> While I would love to have something as simple as:
>> 	void debugfs_create_u8(const char *name, umode_t mode, struct dentry *parent, u8 *value);
>> like we do today.  I understand that this makes all sorts of
>> "assumptions" that Rust really doesn't like (i.e. lifetime of *value and
>> the like), BUT we MUST have something like this for Rust users, as
>> that's going to ensure that people actually use this api.
>
> I think it can be as simple as
>
> 	void debugfs_create_u8(const char *name, umode_t mode, struct dentry *parent, u8 *value);
>
> in Rust as well. Declaring this in a structure looks like this.
>
> 	struct Data {
> 	   counter: File<u8>,
> 	}
>
> Given that we have some Dir instance, this can be as simple as:
>
> 	dir.create_file_u8(...);
>
> Which uses default callbacks for read(), write(), etc.
>
>> Look at an in-kernel function today, like ath9k_init_debug() that
>> creates a metric-ton of debugfs files and binds them to different
>> variables that are owned by a structure and more complex data structures
>> and memory dumps and other random file interactions.  We need, in Rust,
>> a way to do everything that that function can do today, in a SIMPLE
>> manner that reads just as easily as ath9k_init_debug() does.
>
> That's possible with the current design and code, it misses the helpers, such as
> create_file_u8() above, to reduce the boilerplate though. With that, it should
> look pretty similar.

Can't you just implement the traits directly on `u8` and then just call
`create_file`?

---
Cheers,
Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-09 19:09 [PATCH v9 0/5] rust: DebugFS Bindings Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 19:09 ` [PATCH v9 1/5] rust: debugfs: Bind DebugFS directory creation Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 19:09 ` [PATCH v9 2/5] rust: debugfs: Bind file creation for long-lived Display Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 19:09 ` [PATCH v9 3/5] rust: debugfs: Support `PinInit` backing for `File`s Matthew Maurer
2025-08-19  5:51   ` Dirk Behme
2025-08-19 14:33     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-08-19 14:47       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-19 23:22         ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 19:09 ` [PATCH v9 4/5] rust: debugfs: Support format hooks Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 19:09 ` [PATCH v9 5/5] rust: samples: Add debugfs sample Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 21:56   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-09 23:35     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 21:47 ` [PATCH v9 0/5] rust: DebugFS Bindings Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-09 21:53   ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 21:59     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-09 22:04       ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 22:12         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-09 22:21           ` Matthew Maurer
2025-07-09 22:33             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-10  5:27           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-07-10  9:36             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-10 11:09               ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-10 11:11                 ` Benno Lossin

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