From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
lkmm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:57:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB9GF0U3JJWL.3FQFMRTBO52C1@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aHESYzVOTCwADqpP@Mac.home>
On Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 3:32 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 10:57:48AM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> [...]
>> > +}
>> > +
>> > +/// A full memory barrier.
>> > +///
>> > +/// A barrier that prevents compiler and CPU from reordering memory accesses across the barrier.
>> > +pub fn smp_mb() {
>> > + if cfg!(CONFIG_SMP) {
>> > + // SAFETY: `smp_mb()` is safe to call.
>> > + unsafe {
>> > + bindings::smp_mb();
>>
>> Does this really work? How does the Rust compiler know this is a memory
>> barrier?
>>
>
> - Without INLINE_HELPER, this is an FFI call, it's safe to assume that
> Rust compiler would treat it as a compiler barrier and in smp_mb() a
> real memory barrier instruction will be executed.
>
> - With INLINE_HELPER, this will be inlined as an asm block with "memory"
> as clobber, and LLVM will know it's a compiler memory barrier, and the
> real memory barrier instruction guarantees it's a memory barrier at
> CPU reordering level as well.
>
> Think about this, SpinLock and Mutex need memory barriers for critical
> section, if this doesn't work, then SpinLock and Mutex don't work
> either, then we have a bigger problem ;-)
By "this not working" I meant that he barrier would be too strong :)
So essentially without INLINE_HELPER, all barriers in this file are the
same, but with it, we get less strict ones?
---
Cheers,
Benno
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-11 18:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-10 6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 16:16 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:21 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:15 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14 7:08 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:42 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:53 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 17:41 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 18:55 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 4:20 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:54 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:57 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-11 19:26 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 9:00 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05 ` Benno Lossin
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