From: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>
To: "Yury Norov" <yury.norov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
"Martijn Coenen" <maco@android.com>,
"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
"Burak Emir" <bqe@google.com>, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/5] rust: id_pool: do not immediately acquire new ids
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:20:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DDU7649EY2RW.NX9QCDBO09BE@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQEOhS8VVrAgae3C@yury>
On Tue Oct 28, 2025 at 7:42 PM CET, Yury Norov wrote:
> I'm not sure about this change, but it looks like a lock wrapping
> acquire_next_id().
It leverages the borrow concept of Rust [1].
The Rust compiler ensures that a mutable reference is exclusive, so there can't
be two independent mutable borrows at a time.
This means that if an object A has a mutable reference of another object B, the
compiler prevents a third object C to have a (mutable) reference of B as well.
So what this ensures is that object A has exclusive access to object B within
the same task -- no concurrency involved.
The way this is connected with concurrency and locks is that if an object is
shared between tasks, you would need a lock to obtain a mutable reference, i.e.
the lock provides the precondition for exclusive access.
So, (mutable) references are about ownership, not synchronization.
I sketched up a simplified and runnable example of the idea behind Alice' code
in [2] to play with, in case you are interested -- I think that clarifies it
best. :)
[1] https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2024&gist=5e67f1ea36b7e4561bcf5b41137284ec
[2] https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch04-02-references-and-borrowing.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-28 19:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-28 10:55 [PATCH v3 0/5] Use Rust Bitmap from Rust Binder driver Alice Ryhl
2025-10-28 10:55 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] rust: bitmap: add MAX_LEN and NO_ALLOC_MAX_LEN constants Alice Ryhl
2025-10-28 10:55 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] rust: bitmap: add BitmapVec::new_inline() Alice Ryhl
2025-10-28 19:26 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-28 10:55 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] rust: id_pool: do not supply starting capacity Alice Ryhl
2025-10-28 19:29 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-11-01 1:07 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-10-28 10:55 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] rust: id_pool: do not immediately acquire new ids Alice Ryhl
2025-10-28 18:42 ` Yury Norov
2025-10-28 19:20 ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-10-28 21:48 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-03 21:20 ` Yury Norov
2025-11-03 21:40 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-10-28 19:33 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-28 10:55 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] rust_binder: use bitmap for allocation of handles Alice Ryhl
2025-11-07 22:04 ` Carlos Llamas
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