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From: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
To: "Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/11] rust: io: restrict untyped IO access and `register!` to `Region`
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2026 13:55:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DI4SY1NXU1XW.2VHPFEKIFBQVW@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tssvp9sq.fsf@t14s.mail-host-address-is-not-set>

On Tue Apr 28, 2026 at 1:08 PM BST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net> writes:
>
>> On Tue Apr 28, 2026 at 10:02 AM BST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>>> Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> Currently the `Io` trait exposes a bunch of untyped IO accesses, but if the
>>>> `Io` region itself is typed, then it might be weird to have
>>>>
>>>>     let io: Mmio<u32> = /* ... */;
>>>>     io.read8(1);
>>>>
>>>> while not unsound, it is surely strange. Thus, restrict the untyped methods
>>>> and also the register macro to `Region` type only.
>>>>
>>>> The way it is implemented is by adding a generic type to `IoLoc`. This also
>>>> paves the way to add typed register blocks in the future; for example, we
>>>> could use this mechanism to block driver A's `register!()` generated macro
>>>> from being used on driver B's MMIO. The same mechanism could be used for
>>>> relative IO registers. These are future opoortunities, and for this patch I
>>>> just restricted everything to require `IoLoc<Region<SIZE>, _>`.
>>>
>>> Does this not prevent `usize` from being used to index anything but
>>> `Mmio<Region<_>>`?
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that the following would work before this patch:
>>>
>>>    fn do_read(io: &Mmio<u32>) -> Result {
>>>        let v: u32 = io.try_read(8usize)?;
>>>        Ok(())
>>>    }
>>>
>>> But I think this will no longer work with this patch. Is that the intention?
>>
>> Your example would always fail, as you're reading 4 bytes from offset 4 from a
>> region that is only 4 bytes in size. I suppose you're trying to say
>>
>>     fn do_read(io: &Mmio<[u32]>) -> Result {
>>         let v: u32 = io.try_read(8usize)?;
>>         Ok(())
>>     }
>
> Yep, that was my intention, with the assumption that final offset
> becomes 8*4. I think that is also what would happen here as we would
> invoke `try_read::<u32, usize>(&Mmio<[u32]>, usize) -> Result<u32>` with
>
>   usize: IoLoc<u32>
>   Mmio<[u32]>: IoCapable<u32>

No, these methods behave the same as the old try_read32 macros, so these are
absolute byte offsets. I think the fact you're confused is a good indication
that we probably want to remove these methods, or at least make them as
inaccessible as possible :)

>
>
>> ? In any case, it's intended to be unsupported. For types regions you can use
>> projection. So the same code can be written as
>>
>>     fn do_read(io: &Mmio<[u32]>) -> Result {
>>         let v: u32 = io_read!(io, [try: 2]);
>>         Ok(())
>>     }
>>
>> i.e. reading from index 2 instead of byte offset 8. If one cares about byte
>> offset they would probably want to use the register macro instead or having the
>> MMIO region untyped.
>
> Right, makes sense. Again, my thoughts were not around the byte-offset,
> but the `location` parameter being in count of elements of `T`.
>
> But why remove the ability to call `try_read::<u16, usize>(&Mmio<[u32]>,
> usize) -> Result<u16>`?

If you're doing that it sounds like you don't actually want typed access and
again, would want to use register macro to allow mixed register sizes.

Best,
Gary

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-28 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21 14:56 [PATCH v2 00/11] rust: I/O type generalization and projection Gary Guo
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] rust: io: generalize `MmioRaw` to pointer to arbitrary type Gary Guo
2026-04-27 13:44   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] rust: io: generalize `Mmio` " Gary Guo
2026-04-27 14:10   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] rust: io: use pointer types instead of address Gary Guo
2026-04-27 14:20   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-27 15:27     ` Gary Guo
2026-04-28  7:12   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] rust: io: add missing safety requirement in `IoCapable` methods Gary Guo
2026-04-28  7:16   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] rust: io: restrict untyped IO access and `register!` to `Region` Gary Guo
2026-04-28  9:02   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-28 11:14     ` Gary Guo
2026-04-28 12:08       ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-28 12:55         ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-04-28 14:41           ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-28 14:54             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-04-29  8:04               ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] rust: io: add view type Gary Guo
2026-04-28 10:53   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-28 11:20     ` Gary Guo
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] rust: dma: add methods to unsafely create reference from subview Gary Guo
2026-04-28 12:10   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] rust: io: add `read_val` and `write_val` function on I/O view Gary Guo
2026-04-28 12:53   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] gpu: nova-core: use I/O projection for cleaner encapsulation Gary Guo
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] rust: dma: drop `dma_read!` and `dma_write!` API Gary Guo
2026-04-28 11:16   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-21 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] rust: io: add copying methods Gary Guo
2026-04-28 13:22   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-04-28 14:08     ` Gary Guo

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