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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Petr Pavlu" <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	"Daniel Gomez" <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Aaron Tomlin" <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] rust: sync: add SetOnce::try_get_or_populate()
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:12:04 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKB4767MNHI0.VYDHI9YEYILB@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260722-setonce-populate-v1-0-fa7455c26c42@google.com>

On Wed Jul 22, 2026 at 6:16 PM JST, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> The SetOnce::populate() method does not internally synchronize callers
> that fail to populate the value with the successful call. This means
> that naive loops using as_ref() and populate() can lead to spinning on
> the initialization, which is best avoided. Thus, provide a helper that
> avoids this issue using a user-provided lock.
>
> One potential alternative is to change populate() so that the failing
> caller actually does synchronize with the successful call to populate().
> However, this is somewhat tricky:
>
> * There are users of SetOnce that construct it in const context, and we
>   currently don't have the ability to do that for most locks, so we
>   cannot easily add a lock to SetOnce.
> * Just spinning on the atomic is undesirable unless we disable
>   preemption in the success path. If we do disable preemption, then that
>   raises complications for handling the PREEMPT_RT case.
> * It also raises questions about deadlocks if populate() is called from
>   irqs.
>
> By using a user-provided lock, we do not have to worry about these
> issues inside SetOnce.
>
> This series is based on char-misc-next.
>
> Signed-off-by: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>

If would be nice if the series could also include a patch updating the
GEM shmem module, which is another potential user of
`try_get_or_populate` - in particular since the current implementation
doesn't seem to be a perfect match yet (see my comments on patch 2) so
it would be an opportunity to refine it.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-22  9:16 [PATCH 0/3] rust: sync: add SetOnce::try_get_or_populate() Alice Ryhl
2026-07-22  9:16 ` [PATCH 1/3] rust: sync: return `Result<&T, T>` from `SetOnce::populate()` Alice Ryhl
2026-07-29 14:09   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-22  9:16 ` [PATCH 2/3] rust: sync: add SetOnce::try_get_or_populate() Alice Ryhl
2026-07-29 14:05   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-29 14:23     ` Boqun Feng
2026-07-22  9:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] rust_binder: use SetOnce::try_get_or_populate() Alice Ryhl
2026-07-29 14:12 ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]

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