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From: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
To: "Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	"Lorenzo Delgado" <lnsdev@proton.me>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Thorsten Blum" <blum@kernel.org>,
	"Francis Laniel" <laniel_francis@npnm.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] rust: non_empty: add NonEmpty
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2026 15:25:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM4MPF17NSQL.2IOMXIQEVINKR@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72nok4xoA6j1SXVdWKLEKAqj3MfzCa-Sse7NNbkrn2MXiw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed Oct 14, 2026 at 12:55 PM BST, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 10:30 AM Lorenzo Delgado <lnsdev@proton.me> wrote:
>>
>> +/// A container that can report whether it holds any element.
>> +///
>> +/// The result must not change while the container is only reachable through a shared reference.
>> +///
>> +/// Unsafe code may only rely on the result for a container type whose implementation it trusts,
>> +/// such as the ones in this module, since a safe implementation can return anything.
>> +pub trait IsEmpty {
>> +    /// Returns `true` if the container holds no element.
>> +    fn is_empty(&self) -> bool;
>> +}
>
> Do we need this to be a safe trait? If it is unsafe, then we can
> simplify the invariant and more easily think about the type, like
> other `Non*`s, no?

I think in this case the meaning of "empty" depends on the container itself.
Unsafe code that relies on "is_empty" would be the `NonEmpty<Container>` itself,
so it just needs to trust itself (as boundary of unsafe is module level).

I think of almost all of the text above can be removed. The invariant of
`NonEmpty` can just be "`IsEmpty::is_empty` has returned true" and how it is
interpreted is up to the container type.

Best,
Gary


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-14 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-14  8:30 [PATCH v3 0/2] rust: add NonEmpty Lorenzo Delgado
2026-10-14  8:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] rust: non_empty: " Lorenzo Delgado
2026-10-14 11:55   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-10-14 14:25     ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-10-14  8:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] rust: uaccess: use NonEmpty in strcpy_into_buf() Lorenzo Delgado

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