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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rust: irq: add support for request_irq()
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 09:50:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z407egxOy7oNLpq8@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH5fLgiOASgjoYKFz6kWwzLaH07DqP2ph+3YyCDh2+gYqGpABA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 09:29:44AM +0100, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 1:31 PM Daniel Almeida
> <daniel.almeida@collabora.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 15 Jan 2025, at 08:38, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:57:57 -0300
> > > Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> It's not the pin_init! stuff, but the Opaque stuff. If it fails, then
> > >>> it runs the destructor of Opaque<T>, which does *not* run the
> > >>> destructor of T.
> > >>>
> > >>> Alice
> > >>
> > >> This is pretty unintuitive if you take into account trivial examples like
> > >>
> > >> ```
> > >> struct Foo(T)
> > >> ```
> > >>
> > >> Where dropping Foo drops T.
> > >>
> > >> Is there any reason why dropping Opaque<T> doesn’t behave similarly?
> > >>
> > >> — Daniel
> > >
> > > `Opaque` means that "this is a blob of bytes and don't touch it". It
> > > can be uninitialized, so no meaningful action can be performed when
> > > it's dropped.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Gary
> > >
> >
> > I really think that the documentation for this type has to be improved somehow.
> >
> > How is this a blob of bytes that can’t be touched, if it gives out a *mut T?
> >
> > I think I’ve consistently seen code that either accesses or mutates the inner T through
> > the pointer.
> 
> It's not a problem to give out a *mut T. A Opaque is a blob of bytes
> that *might* or *might not* contain a valid `T`. When you dereference
> a raw pointer to the inner value, you are unsafely asserting that
> *right now*, it does in fact contain a valid T.
> 
> The problem we're running into here is that Opaque is intended for
> wrapping C types, but you're using it to wrap a Rust type instead. I
> think we should have a new container type called `Aliased<T>` defined
> like Opaque but without the MaybeUninit.
> 
> #[repr(transparent)]
> pub struct Aliased<T> {

Hmm.. I feel that `Aliased` is a name that reflects too much more
compiler/backend details other than programmers' need. That said, the
best I can come up now is `Shared<T>`, which indicates the field is
always shared therefore even a &mut could not assume noalias.

Regards,
Boqun

>     value: UnsafeCell<T>,
>     _pin: PhantomPinned,
> }
> 
> This type can then serve the purpose of a Rust type that might be
> accessed in weird ways, but *is* guaranteed to hold a valid Rust type.
> It's destructor will run the destructor of T.
> 
> Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-19 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-24 14:20 [PATCH] rust: irq: add support for request_irq() Daniel Almeida
2024-10-24 15:05 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-10-24 15:08   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-10-27  5:30 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-28 15:29 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-11-04 20:10   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-11-06 11:17     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-10-29 11:59 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-11-04 19:19   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-13 14:42 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-14 18:34   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-14 18:36     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-14 18:57       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-15  0:45         ` Boqun Feng
2025-01-15  8:27           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-15 14:39             ` Boqun Feng
2025-01-15 14:42               ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-15 16:00                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-01-15 15:37               ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-15 11:38         ` Gary Guo
2025-01-15 12:31           ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-16  8:29             ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-19 17:50               ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-01-15 11:42 ` Gary Guo

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