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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Maíra Canal" <mairacanal@riseup.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 11:52:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5Nw8kaieLueWyUu@pollux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2025012342-zen-luminance-094c@gregkh>

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 03:17:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 11:21:28AM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:23:08AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> > > > implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> > > > system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> > > > instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> > > > same manner as any other kernel device.
> > > > 
> > > > This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> > > > type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> > > > devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> > > > registration of the device.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
> > > devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
> > > firmware somehow.
> > > 
> > > The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
> > > /sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
> > > something new?
> > 
> > I think we briefly discussed this in another mail thread [1] for the example of
> > the vKMS driver [2] in the past.
> > 
> > In [1] you mentioned that with the virtual device API, things are a bit
> > inconvenient and that you want to follow up on this.
> 
> And my intern ended up doing other things last summer and never got to
> this, sorry.  I've not had the time either.  Let me try to get to it
> next week, but no promises...
> 
> But that doesn't excuse the abuse of platform devices, that's not ok,
> and I'm not going to want to take this change at all, sorry.

It does not, indeed. That's not what I wanted to imply.

I brought it up to see if there has been any progress already that can be built
upon.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-24 10:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-22 23:49 [PATCH 0/2] rust/kernel: Add bindings for manually creating devices Lyude Paul
2025-01-22 23:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::Device::from_raw() Lyude Paul
2025-01-28 14:35   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-22 23:49 ` [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice Lyude Paul
2025-01-23  6:23   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-23 10:21     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-23 14:17       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-24 10:52         ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-01-30 21:28           ` [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create() Lyude Paul
2025-01-30 21:58             ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-01  8:32               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31  3:34             ` kernel test robot
2025-01-31  8:00             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31 16:40               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31 18:43                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-01  8:00                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03  9:39                     ` [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 10:02                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 11:01                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-03 11:25                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 14:33                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 15:32                             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-03 15:38                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 22:45                             ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-03 21:13                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-04  6:05                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03  9:45                     ` [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create() Simona Vetter
2025-02-03  9:51                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31 16:42               ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-31 10:43             ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-01-24  0:33     ` [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice Lyude Paul
2025-01-24 11:02       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-31 16:41         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-24 21:19       ` Lyude Paul

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