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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	"Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
	daniel.almeida@collabora.com, aliceryhl@google.com,
	robin.murphy@arm.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>,
	"open list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Marek Szyprowski" <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com,
	"open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:33:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5qeoqRZKjiR1YAD@pollux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250128092334.GA28548@lst.de>

On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 10:23:34AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 02:17:24PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > Since there hasn't been a reply so far, I assume that we're good with
> > maintaining the DMA Rust abstractions separately.
> 
> No, I'm not.  This was an explicit:
> 
> Nacked-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
> 
> And I also do not want another maintainer.  If you want to make Linux
> impossible to maintain due to a cross-language codebase do that in
> your driver so that you have to do it instead of spreading this cancer
> to core subsystems.  (where this cancer explicitly is a cross-language
> codebase and not rust itself, just to escape the flameware brigade).

I accept that you don't want to be involved with Rust in the kernel, which is
why we offered to maintain the Rust abstraction layer for the DMA coherent
allocator as a separate component (which it would be anyways) ourselves.

As explained previously, this component is just a user of the DMA coherent
allocator API (just like any other driver) and the reason we want this component
is because otherwise this abstraction layer would end up in every Rust driver
that needs the DMA coherent allocator as duplicated code, which for obvious
reasons isn't desirable.

Throughout this conversation I did not see technical arguments or concerns
against this, but I did recognize your opposition against Rust in the kernel
and cross-language projects.

Being a maintainer myself, I think it is outside the scope of a maintainer to
restrict the usage of a public kernel API for a certain entity arbitrarily and /
or by personal preference, which, as it appears to me, is the case here.

@Greg, @Linus: I believe this would be on your purview.

Please find the full thread in [1].

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20250108135951.GA18074@lst.de/

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-29 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-08 12:27 [PATCH v8 0/2] Add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 13:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:16     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-08 15:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:21         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-09  8:08           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-09  8:49             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-10  8:39               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-10 10:41                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:17                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:57                     ` Robin Murphy
2025-01-16 15:57                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-17 13:56                         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-17 19:10                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-28 10:14                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-28  9:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 21:33                       ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-01-31  7:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03  8:17                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-04  5:29                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30 13:19                       ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 13:35                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-30 13:43                           ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 15:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-30 16:11                           ` Greg KH
2025-01-30 17:24                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-31  7:47                               ` Greg KH
2025-01-31 13:54                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 18:46                                   ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 23:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:22                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 23:05                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-05 18:52                                     ` On community influencing (was Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.) Simona Vetter
2025-02-05 20:36                                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-06  9:19                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-06 17:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 12:16                                             ` Dr. Greg
2025-02-08  4:26                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  4:32                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  8:31                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  9:41                                                   ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-10 10:24                                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-13  3:49                                                       ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13  6:41                                                         ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-13  9:50                                                           ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13 11:34                                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-08 20:44                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-09  0:47                                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-09  3:42                                                 ` comex
2025-02-13 10:20                                                 ` David Airlie
2025-02-20 16:24                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-20 16:37                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 16:52                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-13 19:52                                                 ` Ronja Meyer
2025-02-13 19:22                                             ` 33KK
2025-02-06 19:37                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-06 20:16                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 17:14                                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-07 18:02                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:16                                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-09  8:25                                                     ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-10 17:28                                                       ` Mark Brown
2025-02-14  7:10                                                         ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-14 19:49                                                           ` Al Viro
2025-02-19 15:03                                                           ` Mark Brown
2025-02-07 18:33                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 19:18                                                     ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:53                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-02-07  9:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:20                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:51                                           ` Greg KH
2025-02-07 13:49                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-07 14:54                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  7:52                                             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-08 23:55       ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09  6:44         ` David Airlie
2025-02-09 16:19           ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09 16:28             ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-01-08 18:08   ` Daniel Sedlak
2025-01-08 19:09     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-09 11:14       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-09 11:19         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-09 11:32         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-10  8:07           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-12  0:41   ` kernel test robot
2025-02-04 16:54   ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-05  2:41     ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-10  8:54 ` [PATCH v8 0/2] Add " Pyrex
2025-02-10  9:09   ` Danilo Krummrich

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