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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Icenowy Zheng <uwu@icenowy.me>
Cc: Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Abdiel Janulgue <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
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	"open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	DRI Development <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: On community influencing (was Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 12:34:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z63YuDYEEXfurxpY@cassiopeiae> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7d1fb8af8857e7ebfdea48213849ea9ba446477.camel@icenowy.me>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 11:49:20AM +0800, Icenowy Zheng wrote:
> 在 2025-02-10星期一的 11:24 +0100,Danilo Krummrich写道:
> > 
> > (Additionally, in this particular case even one of the reviewers of
> > DMA MAPPING HELPERS offered to be a reviewer of the Rust abstractions
> > too, in
> > order to keep eye on the DMA API angle.)
> 
> Sorry, but I did a fact check on this, and I found that the only
> "reviewer" of DMA MAPPING HELPERS is Robin Murphy, he has only one
> reply in this thread, and the reply only says "Indeed, FWIW it seems
> like the appropriate level of abstraction to me, 
> judging by the other wrappers living in rust/kernel/ already", he
> didn't offer to be a reviewer,

As Abdiel pointed out already, he did offer it in [1].

But that's not the relevant part, but I think how you handled being in doubt is
relevant.

I think the correct way would have been to just ask for a pointer that proves
the statement in question.

Instead you just went ahead with the big words "fact check" and then even got it
wrong. In your "fact check" you did not put any disclaimer to e.g. indicate that
you might not have the full picture, etc.

Ultimately, the way you replied to this, comes across as an immediate accuse of
lying.

I really think that we should *not* pick up this way of arguing that nowadays
became all too present.

- Danilo

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/4956d01e-2d06-4edd-813b-9da94b482069@arm.com/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-13 11:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-08 12:27 [PATCH v8 0/2] Add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 13:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:16     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-08 15:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:21         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-09  8:08           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-09  8:49             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-10  8:39               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-10 10:41                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:17                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:57                     ` Robin Murphy
2025-01-16 15:57                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-17 13:56                         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-17 19:10                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-28 10:14                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-28  9:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 21:33                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-31  7:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03  8:17                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-04  5:29                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30 13:19                       ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 13:35                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-30 13:43                           ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 15:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-30 16:11                           ` Greg KH
2025-01-30 17:24                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-31  7:47                               ` Greg KH
2025-01-31 13:54                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 18:46                                   ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 23:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:22                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 23:05                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-05 18:52                                     ` On community influencing (was Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.) Simona Vetter
2025-02-05 20:36                                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-06  9:19                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-06 17:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 12:16                                             ` Dr. Greg
2025-02-08  4:26                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  4:32                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  8:31                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  9:41                                                   ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-10 10:24                                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-13  3:49                                                       ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13  6:41                                                         ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-13  9:50                                                           ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13 11:34                                                         ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-02-08 20:44                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-09  0:47                                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-09  3:42                                                 ` comex
2025-02-13 10:20                                                 ` David Airlie
2025-02-20 16:24                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-20 16:37                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 16:52                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-13 19:52                                                 ` Ronja Meyer
2025-02-13 19:22                                             ` 33KK
2025-02-06 19:37                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-06 20:16                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 17:14                                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-07 18:02                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:16                                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-09  8:25                                                     ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-10 17:28                                                       ` Mark Brown
2025-02-14  7:10                                                         ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-14 19:49                                                           ` Al Viro
2025-02-19 15:03                                                           ` Mark Brown
2025-02-07 18:33                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 19:18                                                     ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:53                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-02-07  9:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:20                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:51                                           ` Greg KH
2025-02-07 13:49                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-07 14:54                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  7:52                                             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-08 23:55       ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09  6:44         ` David Airlie
2025-02-09 16:19           ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09 16:28             ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-01-08 18:08   ` Daniel Sedlak
2025-01-08 19:09     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-09 11:14       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-09 11:19         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-09 11:32         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-10  8:07           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-12  0:41   ` kernel test robot
2025-02-04 16:54   ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-05  2:41     ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-10  8:54 ` [PATCH v8 0/2] Add " Pyrex
2025-02-10  9:09   ` Danilo Krummrich

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