From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, airlied@gmail.com, hch@infradead.org,
hpa@zytor.com, ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Rust kernel policy
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 12:37:08 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z7zYdEM5TkT2LNN1@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMP44s1Ai5qMU4yV+Rwz4cY869ZA=cxBcTf2wuaUY1oyLKUNCg@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:59:10PM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Boqun Feng wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:19:09PM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > > Greg KH wrote:
> > > > But for new code / drivers, writing them in rust where these types of
> > > > bugs just can't happen (or happen much much less) is a win for all of
> > > > us, why wouldn't we do this?
> > >
> > > *If* they can be written in Rust in the first place. You are skipping that
> > > very important precondition.
> >
> > Hmm.. there are multiple old/new drivers (not a complete list) already
> > in Rust:
>
> That is a black swan fallacy. Just because you've seen 4 white swans
> that doesn't mean all swans are white.
>
> > , so is there still a question that drivers can be written in Rust?
>
> I didn't say no driver can be written Rust, I questioned whether *all*
> drivers can be written in Rust.
>
Huh? Your previous reply is:
"*If* they can be written in Rust in the first place. You are skipping
that very important precondition."
how does that imply you questioned whether *all* drivers can be written
in Rust.
Care to explain your logic?
Regards,
Boqun
> People are operating under that assumption, but it isn't necessarily true.
>
> --
> Felipe Contreras
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-24 20:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-09 20:56 Rust kernel policy Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-18 16:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-18 16:35 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 16:39 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 18:08 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 21:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19 6:20 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-19 6:35 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-19 11:37 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-19 13:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-02-19 13:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-19 7:05 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19 11:32 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-18 17:36 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-02-20 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-20 18:40 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-02-18 18:46 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-18 21:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-18 22:38 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-18 22:54 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19 0:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-19 3:04 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-19 5:07 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-19 5:39 ` Greg KH
2025-02-19 15:05 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-20 20:49 ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-21 19:24 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-20 7:03 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 7:10 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 8:57 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 13:46 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-20 14:09 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 14:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 15:25 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-20 15:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22 15:30 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-20 14:53 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 15:40 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 0:46 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-21 9:48 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-21 16:28 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 17:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-21 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 18:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-21 18:31 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 19:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 19:59 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 20:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 7:20 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 22:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-21 23:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 17:53 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-23 16:42 ` David Laight
2025-02-22 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-22 9:45 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-22 10:25 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-22 11:07 ` Greg KH
2025-02-21 18:23 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-21 22:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-03-01 13:22 ` Askar Safin
2025-03-01 13:55 ` Martin Uecker
2025-03-02 6:50 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-21 18:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-24 8:12 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-20 22:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-22 23:42 ` Piotr Masłowski
2025-02-23 8:10 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-23 23:31 ` comex
2025-02-24 9:08 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-24 18:03 ` Martin Uecker
2025-02-20 12:28 ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 12:37 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 13:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 13:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-20 15:17 ` C aggregate passing (Rust kernel policy) Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-20 16:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-20 20:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-21 8:31 ` HUANG Zhaobin
2025-02-21 18:34 ` David Laight
2025-02-21 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 20:07 ` comex
2025-02-21 21:45 ` David Laight
2025-02-22 6:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22 6:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-22 8:41 ` David Laight
2025-02-22 9:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-21 20:06 ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-02-21 20:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 20:24 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-21 22:02 ` David Laight
2025-02-21 22:13 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-22 5:56 ` comex
2025-02-21 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-20 22:13 ` Rust kernel policy Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-21 5:19 ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-21 5:36 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-21 5:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-21 7:04 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-24 20:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-24 20:37 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-02-26 2:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2025-02-22 16:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-22 17:10 ` Ventura Jack
2025-02-22 17:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-23 2:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-19 5:53 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-19 5:59 ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-22 18:46 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-19 12:37 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-20 11:26 ` Askar Safin
2025-02-20 12:33 ` vpotach
2025-02-19 18:52 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-19 19:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 19:17 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-19 20:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-19 20:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 20:52 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-02-19 21:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 16:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 8:13 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20 8:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20 11:57 ` Fiona Behrens
2025-02-20 14:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-21 10:19 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-22 12:10 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-04 11:17 ` Fiona Behrens
2025-03-04 17:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20 9:55 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-02-19 19:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 6:32 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-20 6:53 ` Greg KH
2025-02-20 8:44 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-20 13:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-20 16:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 12:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 12:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-02-20 23:42 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-22 15:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-20 6:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-20 23:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-21 15:24 ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-22 12:10 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-26 13:17 ` Fiona Behrens
2025-02-21 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-21 12:16 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-21 15:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-23 18:03 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-23 18:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-26 16:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-26 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-19 8:05 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-02-19 14:14 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 14:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-02-19 14:46 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-19 14:51 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-02-19 15:15 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 15:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 15:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-19 15:46 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 15:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 16:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-19 16:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 16:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-02-19 16:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2025-02-19 16:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 16:47 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-19 18:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-20 6:26 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2025-02-20 15:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 17:00 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-02-19 15:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 14:05 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 15:08 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19 16:03 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-19 16:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-19 17:06 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-20 23:40 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-22 15:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-02-20 16:03 ` James Bottomley
2025-02-20 23:47 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-20 6:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-20 12:56 ` James Bottomley
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