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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <walmeida@microsoft.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>, "Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/13] rust: lock: introduce `Mutex`
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 08:44:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCr0ZDlvlFHFIRbh@Boquns-Mac-mini.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230403162529.7bef76e6.gary@garyguo.net>

On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 04:25:29PM +0100, Gary Guo wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:50:09 -0300
> Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 10:20:52AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 11:47:12AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:  
> > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 03:01:08PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:  
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 01:39:44AM -0300, Wedson Almeida Filho wrote:  
> > > > > > From: Wedson Almeida Filho <walmeida@microsoft.com>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is the `struct mutex` lock backend and allows Rust code to use the
> > > > > > kernel mutex idiomatically.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > What, if anything, are the plans to support the various lockdep
> > > > > annotations? Idem for the spinlock thing in the other patch I suppose.  
> > > > 
> > > > FWIW:
> > > > 
> > > > *	At the init stage, SpinLock and Mutex in Rust use initializers
> > > > 	that are aware of the lockdep, so everything (lockdep_map and
> > > > 	lock_class) is all set up.
> > > > 
> > > > *	At acquire or release time, Rust locks just use ffi to call C
> > > > 	functions that have lockdep annotations in them, so lockdep
> > > > 	should just work.
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > ffi is what the C++ world calls RAII ?  
> > 
> > No, ffi is 'foreign function interface', it just means that the caller will use
> > the same ABI as the callee.
> > 
> > > But yes, I got that far, but I wondered about things like
> > > spin_lock_nested(&foo, SINGLE_DEPTH_NESTING) and other such 'advanced'
> > > annotations.
> > > 
> > > Surely we're going to be needing them at some point. I suppose you can
> > > do the single depth nesting one with a special guard type (or whatever
> > > you call that in the rust world) ?  
> > 
> > I haven't looked at all the advanced annotations, but something like
> > spin_lock_nested/mutex_lock_nested can be exposed as a lock_nested() associated
> > function of the `Lock` type, so one would do:
> > 
> >   let guard = my_mutex.lock_nested(SINGLE_DEPTH_NESTING);
> >   // Do something with data protected by my_mutex.
> 
> I don't think an additional function would work. It's not okay to
> perform both nested locking and non-nested locking on the same lock

Note that lock_nested() here is simply a lockdep concept, it means
locking nested under the same lock class (key), not lock instance, for
example:

	spinlock_t X1;
	spinlock_t X2;

	// X1 and X2 are of the same lock class X
	spin_lock(&X1);
	spin_lock(&X2); // lockdep will report a deadlock.

	// However, if we know that X1 and X2 has some ordering to lock,
	// e.g. X1 is the lock for a directory and X2 is the lock for
	// the file in the directory, we can
	spin_lock(&X1);
	spin_lock_nested(&X2, SINGLE_DEPTH_NESTING);

	// and lockdep won't complain.

There is some design space here for Rust, since we may be able to put
the nested information in the type.

Regards,
Boqun

> because non-nested locking will give you a mutable reference, and
> getting another reference from nested lock guard would violate aliasing
> rules.
> 
> A new lock type would be needed for nested locking, and guard of it can
> only hand out immutable reference.
> 
> Best,
> Gary

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30  4:39 [PATCH 01/13] rust: sync: introduce `LockClassKey` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 02/13] rust: sync: introduce `Lock` and `Guard` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 03/13] rust: lock: introduce `Mutex` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 13:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-30 18:47     ` Boqun Feng
2023-03-30 18:51       ` [DRAFT 1/2] locking/selftest: Add test infrastructure for Rust locking APIs Boqun Feng
2023-03-30 18:51         ` [DRAFT 2/2] locking/selftest: Add AA deadlock selftest for Mutex and SpinLock Boqun Feng
2023-03-30 18:56       ` [PATCH 03/13] rust: lock: introduce `Mutex` Boqun Feng
2023-04-03  8:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-03 13:50         ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-04-03 15:25           ` Gary Guo
2023-04-03 15:44             ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-04-03 14:04         ` Boqun Feng
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 04/13] locking/spinlock: introduce spin_lock_init_with_key Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 05/13] rust: lock: introduce `SpinLock` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 06/13] rust: lock: add support for `Lock::lock_irqsave` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 07/13] rust: lock: implement `IrqSaveBackend` for `SpinLock` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 08/13] rust: introduce `ARef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 14:17   ` Gary Guo
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 09/13] rust: add basic `Task` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 10/13] rust: introduce `Task::current` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-31  2:47   ` Gary Guo
2023-03-31  7:32     ` Alice Ryhl
2023-04-01  4:09     ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-04-01  7:01       ` Gary Guo
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 11/13] rust: lock: add `Guard::do_unlocked` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 12/13] rust: sync: introduce `CondVar` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-30 14:43     ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 12:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-30 14:56     ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-04-03  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-03 13:35         ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30  4:39 ` [PATCH 13/13] rust: sync: introduce `LockedBy` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 11:28   ` Benno Lossin
2023-03-30 11:45     ` Benno Lossin
2023-03-30 21:04       ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 21:10         ` Benno Lossin
2023-03-30 20:44     ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-03-30 11:10 ` [PATCH 01/13] rust: sync: introduce `LockClassKey` Gary Guo
2023-03-31  7:28 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-04-05 17:42   ` Wedson Almeida Filho

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