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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	andrew@lunn.ch, miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com, greg@kroah.com,
	tmgross@umich.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 1/3] rust: core abstractions for network PHY drivers
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 00:07:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZSebS0pQfoF4eTsD@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231012.154444.1868411153601666717.fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 03:44:44PM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 23:34:18 -0700
> Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 02:58:24PM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 11:29:45 -0700
> >> Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 10:39:10AM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >> >> +impl Device {
> >> >> +    /// Creates a new [`Device`] instance from a raw pointer.
> >> >> +    ///
> >> >> +    /// # Safety
> >> >> +    ///
> >> >> +    /// For the duration of the lifetime 'a, the pointer must be valid for writing and nobody else
> >> >> +    /// may read or write to the `phy_device` object.
> >> >> +    pub unsafe fn from_raw<'a>(ptr: *mut bindings::phy_device) -> &'a mut Self {
> >> >> +        unsafe { &mut *ptr.cast() }
> >> >> +    }
> >> >> +
> >> >> +    /// Gets the id of the PHY.
> >> >> +    pub fn phy_id(&mut self) -> u32 {
> >> > 
> >> > This function doesn't modify the `self`, why does this need to be a
> >> > `&mut self` function? Ditto for a few functions in this impl block.
> >> > 
> >> > It seems you used `&mut self` for all the functions, which looks like
> >> > more design work is required here.
> >> 
> >> Ah, I can drop all the mut here.
> > 
> > It may not be that easy... IIUC, most of the functions in the `impl`
> > block can only be called correctly with phydev->lock held. In other
> > words, their usage requires exclusive accesses. We should somehow
> > express this in the type system, otherwise someone may lose track on
> > this requirement in the future (for example, calling any function
> > without the lock held).
> >
> > A simple type trick comes to me is that
> > 
> > impl Device {
> >     // rename `from_raw` into `assume_locked`
> >     pub unsafe fn assume_locked<'a>(ptr: *mut bindings::phy_device) -> &'a LockedDevice {
> > 	...
> >     }
> > }
> 
> Hmm, the concept of PHYLIB is that a driver never play with a
> lock. From the perspective of PHYLIB, this abstraction is a PHY
> driver. The abstraction should not touch the lock.
> 

Well, usually we want to describe such a constrait/requirement in the
type system, that's part of the Rust bindings, of course, for some
properties it may be hard, so it may be impossible.

> How can someone lose track on this requirement? The abstraction
> creates a Device instance only inside the callbacks.
> 

Right now, yes. The code in the patch only "creates" a Device inside
the callbacks, but the `Device::from_raw` function doesn't mention any
of this requirement, if the design is only called inside the callbacks,
please add something in the function's `# Safety` requirement, since
voliating this may cause memory safety issue.

Type system and unsafe comments are contracts, if one API has a limited
usage by design, people should be able to find it somewhere in the
contracts.

Regards,
Boqun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-12  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-09  1:39 [PATCH net-next v3 0/3] Rust abstractions for network PHY drivers FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09  1:39 ` [PATCH net-next v3 1/3] rust: core " FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09  3:17   ` Trevor Gross
2023-10-09 12:19   ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-09 13:02     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 13:56       ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-09 14:13         ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-11 14:16     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 12:59   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 13:49     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 14:32       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 15:15         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 15:19           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 15:11       ` Greg KH
2023-10-09 15:24         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 15:39           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 15:50             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-11  9:59               ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-11 23:18                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-13 11:59                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-13 15:15                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-13 18:33                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-14 12:31                         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-14 16:19                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-12  0:29                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 21:07           ` Trevor Gross
2023-10-09 21:21             ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-11  7:04             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 13:54     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 14:48       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 17:04         ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-12  3:59     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-12  4:43       ` Trevor Gross
2023-10-12  7:09         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-11 18:29   ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-12  5:58     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-12  6:34       ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-12  6:44         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-12  7:02           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-12  7:13             ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-12  7:32               ` Trevor Gross
2023-10-12  7:58                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-12  9:10                   ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-13  4:17                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-13  5:45                       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-13  7:56                         ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-13  9:53                           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-13 10:03                             ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-13 10:53                               ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-14  7:47                                 ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-14 21:55                                   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-14 22:18                                     ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-14 22:33                                       ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-14  4:11                             ` Boqun Feng
2023-10-14 11:59                             ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-12  7:07           ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-10-09  1:39 ` [PATCH net-next v3 2/3] MAINTAINERS: add Rust PHY abstractions to the ETHERNET PHY LIBRARY FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09  1:39 ` [PATCH net-next v3 3/3] net: phy: add Rust Asix PHY driver FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09  3:22   ` Trevor Gross
2023-10-09  7:23   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-09 10:58     ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 11:41     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 12:32     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 14:01       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 14:31         ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 15:27           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 15:35             ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 16:09               ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 10:10   ` Greg KH
2023-10-12 11:57     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-10-09 12:42   ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-09 13:15     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 13:45       ` Benno Lossin
2023-10-09 12:48 ` [PATCH net-next v3 0/3] Rust abstractions for network PHY drivers Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 12:53   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 13:06     ` Greg KH
2023-10-09 14:13       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 14:52         ` Greg KH
2023-10-09 15:06           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 15:14             ` Greg KH
2023-10-09 15:15               ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 13:24     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 13:36       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 14:21     ` Andrea Righi
2023-10-09 14:22       ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 14:56       ` Andrew Lunn
2023-10-09 15:04         ` Greg KH
2023-10-09 15:10           ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 15:15             ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-09 14:56       ` Greg KH
2023-10-09 15:09         ` Andrea Righi

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