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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@redhat.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] rust: types: Add explanation for ARef pattern
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 07:26:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZqOyMbi7xl67UfjY@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <beaf1fa3-eebe-443c-bc51-abd9348a411d@proton.me>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 01:43:38PM +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
[...]
> >>
> >> You can always get a `&T` from `ARef<T>`, since it implements `Deref`.
> >>
> > 
> > Yeah, but this is unrelated. I was talking about that API providers can
> > decide whether they want to only provide a `raw_ptr` -> `ARef<Self>` if
> > they don't need to provide a `raw_ptr` -> `&Self`.
> > 
> >>> Overall, I feel like we don't necessarily make a preference between
> >>> `->&Self` and `->ARef<Self>` functions here, since it's up to the users'
> >>> design?
> >>
> >> I would argue that there should be a clear preference for functions
> >> returning `&Self` when possible (ie there is a parameter that the
> > 
> > If "possible" also means there's going to be `raw_ptr` -> `&Self`
> > function (as the same publicity level) anyway, then agreed. In other
> > words, if the users only need the `raw_ptr` -> `ARef<Self>`
> > functionality, we don't want to force people to provide a `raw_ptr` ->
> > `&Self` just because, right?
> 
> I see... I am having a hard time coming up with an example where users
> would exclusively want `ARef<Self>` though... What do you have in mind?
> Normally types wrapped by `ARef` have `&self` methods.
> 

Having `&self` methods doesn't mean the necessarity of a `raw_ptr` ->
`&Self` function, for example, a `Foo` is wrapped as follow:

	struct Foo(Opaque<foo>);
	impl Foo {
	    pub fn bar(&self) -> Bar { ... }
	    pub unsafe fn get_foo(ptr: *mut foo) -> ARef<Foo> { ... }
	}

in this case, the abstration provider may not want user to get a
`raw_ptr` -> `&Self` function, so no need to have it.

Regards,
Boqun

> Cheers,
> Benno
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-26 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-10  3:24 [RFC PATCH] rust: types: Add explanation for ARef pattern Boqun Feng
2024-07-23  9:14 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-07-24 17:44   ` Boqun Feng
2024-07-25 18:12     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-25 20:29       ` Boqun Feng
2024-07-26 13:43         ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-26 14:26           ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-07-26 14:42             ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-26 15:15               ` Boqun Feng
2024-07-26 15:54                 ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-26 16:19                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2024-07-29 11:31                     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-07-31 14:48                       ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-25 18:51 ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-25 20:06   ` Boqun Feng
2024-07-25 20:32     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-25 20:43       ` Boqun Feng

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