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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@redhat.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Martin Rodriguez Reboredo" <yakoyoku@gmail.com>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 05:51:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zv6TU_p4WMELMj_G@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8734lew7jn.ffs@tglx>

On Wed, Oct 02, 2024 at 10:53:32PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16 2024 at 17:28, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > A variant of SpinLock that is expected to be used in noirq contexts, and
> > thus requires that the user provide an kernel::irq::IrqDisabled to prove
> > they are in such a context upon lock acquisition. This is the rust
> > equivalent of spin_lock_irqsave()/spin_lock_irqrestore().
> 
> This fundamentally does not work with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT. See:
> 
>    https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/locking/locktypes.html
> 
> for further information. TLDR:
> 
> On RT enabled kernels spin/rw_lock are substituted by sleeping locks. So
> you _cannot_ disable interrupts before taking the lock on RT enabled
> kernels. That will result in a 'might_sleep()' splat.
> 

One thing I was missing when I suggested Lyude with the current API is
that local_irq_save() disables interrupts even on RT. I was under the
impression that local_irq_save() will only disable preemption per:

	https://lwn.net/Articles/146861/

but seems it's not the case right now: we move the RT vs non-RT games
and hardware interrupt disabling vs preemption/migration disabling to
local_lock_*() I guess?

> There is a reason why the kernel has two distinct spinlock types:
> 
>     raw_spinlock_t and spinlock_t
> 
> raw_spinlock_t is a real spinning lock independent of CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT,
> spinlock_t is mapped to raw_spinlock_t on CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=n and to a
> rtmutex based implementation for CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y.
> 
> As a consequence spin_lock_irq() and spin_lock_irqsave() will _NOT_
> disable interrupts on a CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y kernel.
> 
> The proposed rust abstraction is not suitable for that.
> 
> At this phase of rust integration there is no need to wrap
> raw_spinlock_t, so you have two options to solve that:
> 
>    1) Map Rust's SpinLockIrq() to spin_lock_irqsave() and
>       spin_unlock_irqrestore() which does the right thing
> 
>    2) Play all the PREEMPT_RT games in the local irq disable abstraction
> 
> #1 is the right thing to do because no driver should rely on actually
> disabling interrupts on the CPU. If there is a driver which does that,
> then it's not compatible with RT and should use a local lock instead.
> 
> local locks aside of being RT compatible have the benefit that they give
> scope to the protected region/data, while a plain local_irq_disable()
> does not.
> 
> Don't even think about exposing this 'with_irq_disabled' interface
> unless you are trying to move actual core code like the scheduler or low
> level interrupt handling to rust.
> 
> Create explicit interrupt safe interfaces which map to the underlying
> locking primitives instead.
> 

Then we should have a SpinLockIrq<T> type, and a function:

	fn with_locked<U>(&self, cb: impl FnOnce(&mut T) -> U) -> U {
	    <spin_lock_irqsave()>
	    let ret = cb(...);
	    <spin_lock_irqrestore()>
	    ret
	}

FYI, the reason that we cannot have a SpinLockIrq::lock() return a guard
that holds the irq state is because:

	https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/linux/issues/998

namely:

	// interrupts are enabled here.
	let a = spin_lock_irq1.lock();
	let b = spin_lock_irq2.lock();

	drop(a); // releasing spin_lock_irq1 and restore the irq state.
	// `b` exists with interrupts enabled, which breaks the
	// invariants of b.

(technically we can, but that requires a rework of how nested
irq_save()s are handled, that's another can of worms)

Regards,
Boqun

> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-03 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-16 21:28 [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2024-09-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module Lyude Paul
2024-09-29 20:36   ` Trevor Gross
2024-09-29 23:45   ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-02 20:20   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-04  8:58     ` Benno Lossin
2024-10-04 17:18       ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 18:51       ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-04 17:02     ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-10 21:00   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-09-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Lyude Paul
2024-09-29 20:40   ` Trevor Gross
2024-09-29 23:52   ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2024-09-29 20:50   ` Trevor Gross
2024-09-29 23:59   ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-02 20:53   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-03 12:51     ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-10-04 18:48     ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-05 18:19       ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-07 12:42         ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-07 18:13           ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-15 12:57           ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-15 20:17             ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-15 20:21               ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-16 20:57                 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 13:34                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-07 12:01       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-07 18:30         ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-08 15:21           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-12  8:01             ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Daniel Almeida
2024-10-12  5:29 ` Dirk Behme
2024-10-13 19:06   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-13 21:43     ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-16 21:00       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-16 21:31         ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-17 20:49           ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 22:27             ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18  5:51           ` [POC 0/6] Allow SpinLockIrq to use a normal Guard interface Boqun Feng
2024-10-18  5:51             ` [POC 1/6] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Boqun Feng
2024-10-21  7:04               ` kernel test robot
2024-10-21  7:35               ` kernel test robot
2024-10-21 20:44               ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-24 16:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-23 19:34               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-23 19:51                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-23 20:38                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 10:05                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-24 17:22                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 21:57                         ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-25 15:04                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-25 18:28                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-24 19:12                       ` Lyude Paul
2025-07-24 20:36                   ` w/r/t "irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling": holes in pcpu_hot? Lyude Paul
2025-07-24 21:59                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24  5:05                 ` [POC 1/6] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Boqun Feng
2024-10-24  8:17                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 16:20                     ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18  5:51             ` [POC 2/6] rust: Introduce interrupt module Boqun Feng
2024-10-31 20:45               ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-31 20:47                 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-18  5:51             ` [POC 3/6] rust: helper: Add spin_{un,}lock_irq_{enable,disable}() helpers Boqun Feng
2024-10-18  5:51             ` [POC 4/6] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 19:23               ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-18 20:22                 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18  5:51             ` [POC 5/6] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Boqun Feng
2024-10-31 20:54               ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-18  5:51             ` [POC 6/6] rust: sync: lock: Add `Backend::BackendInContext` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 10:22             ` [POC 0/6] Allow SpinLockIrq to use a normal Guard interface Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-18 12:42               ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 11:16             ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-18 16:05               ` Dirk Behme
2024-10-31 20:56             ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 20:42         ` [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul

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