From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@redhat.com>,
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"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
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"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
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"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Martin Rodriguez Reboredo" <yakoyoku@gmail.com>,
"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 05:51:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zv6TU_p4WMELMj_G@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8734lew7jn.ffs@tglx>
On Wed, Oct 02, 2024 at 10:53:32PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16 2024 at 17:28, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > A variant of SpinLock that is expected to be used in noirq contexts, and
> > thus requires that the user provide an kernel::irq::IrqDisabled to prove
> > they are in such a context upon lock acquisition. This is the rust
> > equivalent of spin_lock_irqsave()/spin_lock_irqrestore().
>
> This fundamentally does not work with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT. See:
>
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/locking/locktypes.html
>
> for further information. TLDR:
>
> On RT enabled kernels spin/rw_lock are substituted by sleeping locks. So
> you _cannot_ disable interrupts before taking the lock on RT enabled
> kernels. That will result in a 'might_sleep()' splat.
>
One thing I was missing when I suggested Lyude with the current API is
that local_irq_save() disables interrupts even on RT. I was under the
impression that local_irq_save() will only disable preemption per:
https://lwn.net/Articles/146861/
but seems it's not the case right now: we move the RT vs non-RT games
and hardware interrupt disabling vs preemption/migration disabling to
local_lock_*() I guess?
> There is a reason why the kernel has two distinct spinlock types:
>
> raw_spinlock_t and spinlock_t
>
> raw_spinlock_t is a real spinning lock independent of CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT,
> spinlock_t is mapped to raw_spinlock_t on CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=n and to a
> rtmutex based implementation for CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y.
>
> As a consequence spin_lock_irq() and spin_lock_irqsave() will _NOT_
> disable interrupts on a CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y kernel.
>
> The proposed rust abstraction is not suitable for that.
>
> At this phase of rust integration there is no need to wrap
> raw_spinlock_t, so you have two options to solve that:
>
> 1) Map Rust's SpinLockIrq() to spin_lock_irqsave() and
> spin_unlock_irqrestore() which does the right thing
>
> 2) Play all the PREEMPT_RT games in the local irq disable abstraction
>
> #1 is the right thing to do because no driver should rely on actually
> disabling interrupts on the CPU. If there is a driver which does that,
> then it's not compatible with RT and should use a local lock instead.
>
> local locks aside of being RT compatible have the benefit that they give
> scope to the protected region/data, while a plain local_irq_disable()
> does not.
>
> Don't even think about exposing this 'with_irq_disabled' interface
> unless you are trying to move actual core code like the scheduler or low
> level interrupt handling to rust.
>
> Create explicit interrupt safe interfaces which map to the underlying
> locking primitives instead.
>
Then we should have a SpinLockIrq<T> type, and a function:
fn with_locked<U>(&self, cb: impl FnOnce(&mut T) -> U) -> U {
<spin_lock_irqsave()>
let ret = cb(...);
<spin_lock_irqrestore()>
ret
}
FYI, the reason that we cannot have a SpinLockIrq::lock() return a guard
that holds the irq state is because:
https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/linux/issues/998
namely:
// interrupts are enabled here.
let a = spin_lock_irq1.lock();
let b = spin_lock_irq2.lock();
drop(a); // releasing spin_lock_irq1 and restore the irq state.
// `b` exists with interrupts enabled, which breaks the
// invariants of b.
(technically we can, but that requires a rework of how nested
irq_save()s are handled, that's another can of worms)
Regards,
Boqun
> Thanks,
>
> tglx
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-03 12:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-16 21:28 [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2024-09-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module Lyude Paul
2024-09-29 20:36 ` Trevor Gross
2024-09-29 23:45 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-02 20:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-04 8:58 ` Benno Lossin
2024-10-04 17:18 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 18:51 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-04 17:02 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-10 21:00 ` Daniel Almeida
2024-09-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Lyude Paul
2024-09-29 20:40 ` Trevor Gross
2024-09-29 23:52 ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2024-09-29 20:50 ` Trevor Gross
2024-09-29 23:59 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-02 20:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-03 12:51 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-10-04 18:48 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-05 18:19 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-07 12:42 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-07 18:13 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-15 12:57 ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-15 20:17 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-15 20:21 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-16 20:57 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 13:34 ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-07 12:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-07 18:30 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-08 15:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-12 8:01 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-10 16:39 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Daniel Almeida
2024-10-12 5:29 ` Dirk Behme
2024-10-13 19:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-13 21:43 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-16 21:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-16 21:31 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-17 20:49 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 22:27 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 0/6] Allow SpinLockIrq to use a normal Guard interface Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 1/6] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Boqun Feng
2024-10-21 7:04 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-21 7:35 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-21 20:44 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-24 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-23 19:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-23 19:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-23 20:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 10:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-24 17:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 21:57 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-25 15:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-25 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-24 19:12 ` Lyude Paul
2025-07-24 20:36 ` w/r/t "irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling": holes in pcpu_hot? Lyude Paul
2025-07-24 21:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 5:05 ` [POC 1/6] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Boqun Feng
2024-10-24 8:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-24 16:20 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 2/6] rust: Introduce interrupt module Boqun Feng
2024-10-31 20:45 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-31 20:47 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 3/6] rust: helper: Add spin_{un,}lock_irq_{enable,disable}() helpers Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 4/6] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 19:23 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-18 20:22 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 5/6] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Boqun Feng
2024-10-31 20:54 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-18 5:51 ` [POC 6/6] rust: sync: lock: Add `Backend::BackendInContext` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 10:22 ` [POC 0/6] Allow SpinLockIrq to use a normal Guard interface Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-18 12:42 ` Boqun Feng
2024-10-18 11:16 ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-10-18 16:05 ` Dirk Behme
2024-10-31 20:56 ` Lyude Paul
2024-10-17 20:42 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
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