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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist bindings
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 09:18:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEHDS0YPmkB4Uto_@Mac.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250605160204.GC44681@ziepe.ca>

On Thu, Jun 05, 2025 at 01:02:04PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2025 at 08:35:59AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > Late to the party, but seems to me the main problem here is that we
> > cannot pass a reference to .set_page(), note that there is some work
> > that would change the Rust struct Page from a `*mut page` to a
> > `page`[0], and then we can impl Ownable[1] and AlwaysRefCounted for
> > `Page`, if that's done, then I believe the correct parameter for
> > set_page() would be an ARef<Page>.
> 
> There are alot of things that want to go into scatterlists that don't
> have struct pages that are refcountable (eg frozen pages used by
> kmalloc).
> 

I see.

> So I don't think you want to go in the direction of forcing
> struct page refcounting in scatter table. That is not how the C API
> works for good reason.
> 

Ok, that's fair.

> I also don't think it is a good idea to push more struct page stuff
> into Rust as we are trying to eliminate struct page from the

Well, that's why I suggested Owned<Page> and ARef<Folio>, but let's not
get too deep into that direction unless necessary ;-)

> kernel. It is better for rust to stick to KVAs and convert to struct
> page in core code only where absolutely necessary for someon reason.
> 

Sounds reasonable to me for now.

Regards,
Boqun

> Which is another part of why I suggested set_page should not be part
> of the driver facing rust API for scatterlist.
> 
> Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-05 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-28 22:14 [PATCH 0/2] rust: add initial scatterlist abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-05-28 22:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist bindings Abdiel Janulgue
2025-05-29  0:45   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29 14:14     ` Petr Tesařík
2025-05-29 14:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 14:02     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-30 14:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 14:44         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-30 14:50           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 15:18             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-31 12:54             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-02 11:40               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-02 12:25                 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-02 12:41                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-04 18:21       ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-05  5:51         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-05 13:30           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-05 13:56             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-09 17:44               ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-18  1:03                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-26 20:31                   ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-26 22:43                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-26 23:44                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-28 11:07                     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-05 13:22       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-28 11:18         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-30  7:11           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-05 15:35       ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-05 16:02         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05 16:18           ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-05-30 11:04   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-28 22:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] samples: rust: add sample code for " Abdiel Janulgue

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