From: Oliver Mangold <oliver.mangold@pm.me>
To: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Asahi Lina" <lina@asahilina.net>,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 1/5] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:34:03 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFKICIo8L958iFbz@mango> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D9VS2Q4IX7LH.3JLXQUMWYJ2FP@kernel.org>
On 250514 1132, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On Fri May 2, 2025 at 11:02 AM CEST, Oliver Mangold wrote:
>
> > +/// - That the C code follows the usual mutable reference requirements. That is, the kernel will
> > +/// never mutate the [`Ownable`] (excluding internal mutability that follows the usual rules)
> > +/// while Rust owns it.
>
> I feel like this requirement is better put on the `Owned::from_raw`
> function.
Thinking about it some more, the problem I see here is that if the type
implements `OwnableMut` this requirement changes from "never mutate" to
"never access at all".
The safety requirements between `Ownable`, `OwnableMut`, `RefCounted`,
`OwnableRefCounted` and `AlwaysRefCounted` are interacting, but I agree
that, when looking at it a certain way, `Owned::from_raw()` is the place
where one would expect these to be. I'm not sure anymore what is best here
:/
> > +pub unsafe trait OwnableMut: Ownable {}
>
> I don't like the name, but at the same time I also have no good
> suggestion :( I'll think some more about it.
There was already a bit of discussion about it. I had my own implementation of this
where I used the names `UniqueRefCounted` and `UniqueRef`, but after discovering
this version from Asahi Lina, I took it as it was, keeping the name.
No one else came up with different suggestions so far, so maybe we should just leave it
at `Owned`/`Ownable`?
Best,
Oliver
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-18 9:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-02 9:02 [PATCH v10 0/5] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 9:02 ` [PATCH v10 1/5] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 9:57 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-16 11:43 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-17 11:42 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 11:29 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-06 11:20 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-07 6:20 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-08 12:24 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-14 9:32 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-17 9:58 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 21:22 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-20 7:01 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-20 8:09 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18 9:34 ` Oliver Mangold [this message]
2025-06-18 21:19 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-19 9:33 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-19 12:18 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-02 9:02 ` [PATCH v10 2/5] rust: Rename AlwaysRefCounted to RefCounted Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 10:10 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 11:32 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-16 11:56 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-06-16 12:13 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-02 9:02 ` [PATCH v10 3/5] rust: Add missing SAFETY documentation for ARef example Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 10:41 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 11:12 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 12:01 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-02 9:02 ` [PATCH v10 4/5] rust: kbuild: provide `RUSTC_HAS_DO_NOT_RECOMMEND` symbol Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 9:03 ` [PATCH v10 5/5] rust: Add OwnableRefCounted and SimpleOwnableRefCounted Oliver Mangold
2025-05-02 11:43 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-06 11:42 ` Oliver Mangold
2025-05-07 6:19 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-13 13:10 ` [PATCH v10 0/5] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-13 13:27 ` Oliver Mangold
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