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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:16:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aG_nT3H8J-h2qwr5@Mac.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB8HQLY48DFX.3PBBUTQLV14PC@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 05:46:56PM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 5:12 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:04:38PM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> >> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:00 AM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> >> > +declare_and_impl_atomic_methods!(
> >> > +    AtomicHasBasicOps ("Basic atomic operations") {
> >> > +        read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
> >> > +            call(ptr.cast())
> >> > +        }
> >> > +
> >> > +        set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
> >> > +            call(ptr.cast(), v)
> >> > +        }
> >> > +    }
> >> 
> >> I think this would look a bit better:
> >> 
> >>     /// Basic atomic operations.
> >>     pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
> >>         unsafe fn read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
> >>             bindings::#call(ptr.cast())
> >>         }
> >> 
> >>         unsafe fn set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
> >>             bindings::#call(ptr.cast(), v)
> >>         }
> >>     }
> >> 
> >
> > Make sense, I've made `pub trait`, `bindings::#` and `unsafe fn`
> > hard-coded:
> >
> > macro_rules! declare_and_impl_atomic_methods {
> >     (#[doc = $doc:expr] pub trait $ops:ident {
> 
> You should allow any kind of attribute (and multiple), that makes it
> much simpler.
> 

I didn't know I could do that, updated:

    ($(#[$attr:meta])* pub trait $ops:ident {
        $(
            unsafe fn $func:ident [$($variant:ident),*]($($arg_sig:tt)*) $( -> $ret:ty)? {
                bindings::#call($($arg:tt)*)
            }
        )*
    }) => {
        $(#[$attr])*

Thanks!

> >         $(
> >             unsafe fn $func:ident [$($variant:ident),*]($($arg_sig:tt)*) $( -> $ret:ty)? {
> >                 bindings::#call($($arg:tt)*)
> >             }
> >         )*
> >     }) => {
> >
> > It shouldn't be very hard to make use of the actual visibility or
> > unsafe, but we currently don't have other visibility or safe function,
> > so it's simple to keep it as it is.
[..]
> >> I'm not sure if this is worth it, but for reading the definitions of
> >> these operations directly in the code this is going to be a lot more
> >> readable. I don't think it's too bad to duplicate it.
> >> 
> >> I'm also not fully satisfied with the safety comment on
> >> `bindings::#call`...
> >> 
> >
> > Based on the above, I'm not going to do the change (i.e. duplicating
> > the safe comments and improve them), and I would make an issue tracking
> > it, and we can revisit it when we have time. Sounds good?
> 
> Sure, I feel like some kind of method duplication macro might be much
> better here, like:
> 
>     multi_functions! {
>         pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
>             /// Atomic read
>             ///
>             /// # Safety
>             /// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
>             /// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
>             ///   - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
>             ///   - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
>             ///     normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
>             ///     `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
>             unsafe fn [<read, read_acquire>](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self;
> 
>             // ...
>         }
>     }
> 
> And then also allow it on impls. I don't really like the idea of
> duplicating and thus hiding the safety docs... But I also see that just

At least the rustdoc has safety section for each function. ;-)

> copy pasting them everywhere isn't really a good solution either...
> 

Yeah, perhaps there is no immediate resolution, but open to any
suggestion.

Regards,
Boqun

> ---
> Cheers,
> Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-10  6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 16:16         ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-07-10 19:21           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:15               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:03   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14  7:08         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:42   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:53   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 17:41       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 18:55       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14  4:20               ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:54   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:57   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:26         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42       ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35           ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42               ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  9:00   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05       ` Benno Lossin

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