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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	lkmm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
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	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
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	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 07:39:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aHEiE0OoA3w1FmCp@Mac.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB93KSS3F3AK.3R9RFOHJ4FSAQ@kernel.org>

On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 10:53:45AM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:00 AM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > One important set of atomic operations is the arithmetic operations,
> > i.e. add(), sub(), fetch_add(), add_return(), etc. However it may not
> > make senses for all the types that `AllowAtomic` to have arithmetic
> > operations, for example a `Foo(u32)` may not have a reasonable add() or
> > sub(), plus subword types (`u8` and `u16`) currently don't have
> > atomic arithmetic operations even on C side and might not have them in
> > the future in Rust (because they are usually suboptimal on a few
> > architecures). Therefore add a subtrait of `AllowAtomic` describing
> > which types have and can do atomic arithemtic operations.
> >
> > Trait `AllowAtomicArithmetic` has an associate type `Delta` instead of
> > using `AllowAllowAtomic::Repr` because, a `Bar(u32)` (whose `Repr` is
> > `i32`) may not wants an `add(&self, i32)`, but an `add(&self, u32)`.
> >
> > Only add() and fetch_add() are added. The rest will be added in the
> > future.
> >
> > Reviewed-by: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs         |  18 +++++
> >  rust/kernel/sync/atomic/generic.rs | 108 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  2 files changed, 126 insertions(+)
> 
> I think it's better to name this trait `AtomicAdd` and make it generic:
> 
>     pub unsafe trait AtomicAdd<Rhs = Self>: AllowAtomic {
>         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Rhs) -> Self::Repr;
>     }
> 
> `sub` and `fetch_sub` can be added using a similar trait.
> 

Seems a good idea, I will see what I can do. Thanks!

> The generic allows you to implement it multiple times with different
> meanings, for example:
> 
>     pub struct Nanos(u64);
>     pub struct Micros(u64);
>     pub struct Millis(u64);
> 
>     impl AllowAtomic for Nanos {
>         type Repr = i64;
>     }
> 
>     impl AtomicAdd<Millis> for Nanos {
>         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Millis) -> i64 {
>             transmute(rhs.0 * 1000_000)

We probably want to use `as` in real code?

>         }
>     }
> 
>     impl AtomicAdd<Micros> for Nanos {
>         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Micros) -> i64 {
>             transmute(rhs.0 * 1000)
>         }
>     }
> 
>     impl AtomicAdd<Nanos> for Nanos {
>         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Nanos) -> i64 {
>             transmute(rhs.0)
>         }
>     }
> 
> For the safety requirement on the `AtomicAdd` trait, we might just
> require bi-directional transmutability... Or can you imagine a case
> where that is not guaranteed, but a weaker form is?

I have a case that I don't think it's that useful, but it's similar to
the `Micros` and `Millis` above, an `Even<T>` where `Even<i32>` is a
`i32` but it's always an even number ;-) So transmute<i32, Even<i32>>()
is not always sound. Maybe we could add a "TODO" in the safety section
of `AtomicAdd`, and revisit this later? Like:

/// (in # Safety)
/// TODO: The safety requirement may be tightened to bi-directional
/// transmutability. 

And maybe also add the `Even` example there?

Thoughts?

Regards,
Boqun

> 
> ---
> Cheers,
> Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-11 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-10  6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 16:16         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:21           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:15               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:03   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14  7:08         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:42   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:53   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39     ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-07-11 17:41       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 18:55       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14  4:20               ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:54   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:57   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:26         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42       ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35           ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42               ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  9:00   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05       ` Benno Lossin

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