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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Christian Brauner" <christian@brauner.io>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Panagiotis Foliadis" <pfoliadis@posteo.net>,
	"Shankari Anand" <shankari.ak0208@gmail.com>,
	"FUJITA Tomonori" <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
	"Alexey Gladkov" <legion@kernel.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: rust: wrong SAFETY comments in group_leader() and pid() + questions
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 15:30:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTbg6O2HS2fGAow6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aTMhpX-_H4Y4J7Ud@google.com>

Alice,

Thanks again for your explanations. Not that I fully understand
them, though ;)

On 12/05, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>
> To start with, it's likely that this comment is not the right choice
> for this function, given our discussion. Most likely group_leader()
> needs to be moved to `impl CurrentTask {}`

I obviously can't comment this proposal,

> and the safety comment needs
> to explain why being the current task ensures that the returned &Task
> lives for long enough.

This is simple. task->group_leader can't change or go away until
this task exits or execs. The "current" task can't exit/exec.

(This also covers the race with mt-exec from current's subthread,
 the execing thread will kill all the threads and wait until they
 all pass release_task(). Only then it will change ->group_leader).

> impl CurrentTask {
>     fn group_leader(&self) -> &Task {
>         // SAFETY: This is the current task, so the task must be alive.
>         // Therefore the group leader cannot change, and thus it will
>         // stay valid as long as self is the current task.
>         unsafe { &*bindings::task_group_leader(self.as_ptr()).cast::<Task>() }
>     }
> }

Yes, the comment looks good to me.

But we don't have the task_group_leader() helper yet, so far I
only sent the trivial initial preparations, see
https://lore.kernel.org/all/aTV1KYdcDGvjXHos@redhat.com/

So if you are going to move Task::group_leader to the
CurrentTask block, please use .group_leader directly, like
the current code does.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-08 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-05 14:08 rust: wrong SAFETY comments in group_leader() and pid() + questions Oleg Nesterov
2025-12-05 14:19 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-05 14:29   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-05 17:21     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-12-05 18:17       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-08 14:30         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2025-12-11  1:20           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-08 15:43         ` Gary Guo
2025-12-11  1:16           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-05 15:35   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-12-05 16:28     ` Alice Ryhl

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