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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Matthew Maurer" <mmaurer@google.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] rust: Add support for deriving `AsBytes` and `FromBytes`
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 08:26:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aUO6uUbGGtwXlrAT@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DF15V0W5G9K5.KCPM8M4BZVOE@nvidia.com>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 04:23:43PM +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> On Thu Dec 18, 2025 at 3:01 AM JST, Matthew Maurer wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2025 at 7:12 PM Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >> > +/// Implements `FromBytes` for a struct.
> >> > +///
> >> > +/// It will fail compilation if the struct you are deriving on cannot be determined to implement
> >> > +/// `FromBytes` safely. It may still fail for some types which would be safe to implement
> >> > +/// `FromBytes` for, in which case you will need to write the implementation and justification
> >> > +/// yourself.
> >> > +///
> >> > +/// Main reasons your type may be rejected:
> >> > +/// * Not a `struct`
> >> > +/// * One of the fields is not `FromBytes`
> >> > +///
> >> > +/// # Examples
> >> > +///
> >> > +/// ```
> >> > +/// #[derive(FromBytes)]
> >> > +/// #[repr(C)]
> >> > +/// struct Foo {
> >> > +///   x: u32,
> >> > +///   y: u16,
> >> > +///   z: u16,
> >> > +/// }
> >> > +/// ```
> >>
> >> One thing I have noticed is that I could sucessfully derive `FromBytes`
> >> on a struct that is not `repr(C)`... Is that something we want to
> >> disallow?
> >>
> >
> > Why should we disallow this? I can enforce it very easily if we want
> > it, but the only difference between `#[repr(C)]` and `#[repr(Rust)]`
> > is whether we can statically predict their layout. In theory you can
> > use this to elide the padding check for `#[repr(C)]` structs (and
> > `zerocopy` does this), but it's significantly more complicated.
> >
> > The only argument I see in favor of disallowing `#[repr(Rust)]` here
> > is that if it's not a struct that also supports `AsBytes`, there's a
> > question about where you're getting the bytes to load from.
> >
> > I will point out that we probably don't *just* want to restrict to
> > `#[repr(C)]` because `#[repr(transparent)]` and `#[repr(packed)]` are
> > also great use cases.
> 
> Yeah it's probably correct as it is. I am not sure why we would want to
> use it on types without a predictable layout, but also cannot say this
> is fundamentally broken.

At the very least such types can roundtrip to/from byte arrays. Or you
could pass them to the randomness pool:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20251216-add-entropy-v2-1-4d866f251474@google.com/

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-18  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-16  0:44 [PATCH v2 0/3] Support more safe `AsBytes`/`FromBytes` usage Matthew Maurer
2025-12-16  0:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] rust: transmute: Support transmuting slices of AsBytes/FromBytes types Matthew Maurer
2025-12-17 16:51   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-26 20:27     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-12-16  0:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] rust: Add support for deriving `AsBytes` and `FromBytes` Matthew Maurer
2025-12-17  3:12   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-12-17 18:01     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-12-17 19:14       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-18  7:23       ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-12-18  8:26         ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2025-12-17 17:35   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-17 17:57     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-12-17 19:11       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-16  0:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] rust: Support deriving `AsBytes`/`FromBytes` on bindgen types Matthew Maurer
2025-12-17  3:15   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-12-17 18:26     ` Matthew Maurer
2025-12-17 19:26   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-12-17 19:33     ` Matthew Maurer

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