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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>
Cc: gary@garyguo.net, ojeda@kernel.org, a.hindborg@kernel.org,
	aliceryhl@google.com, bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, dakr@kernel.org,
	lossin@kernel.org, tmgross@umich.edu, acourbot@nvidia.com,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] rust: sync: atomic: Add i32-backed Flag for atomic booleans
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 16:36:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aVompXdKrDB4sShK@tardis-2.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260104.065311.609258219418619592.fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 04, 2026 at 06:53:11AM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
[...]
> >> >   
> >> >> Add a new Flag enum (Clear/Set) with #[repr(i32)] and implement
> >> >> AtomicType for it, so users can use Atomic<Flag> for boolean flags.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Document when Atomic<Flag> is generally preferable to Atomic<bool>: in
> >> >> particular, when RMW operations such as xchg()/cmpxchg() may be used
> >> >> and minimizing memory usage is not the top priority. On some
> >> >> architectures without byte-sized RMW instructions, Atomic<bool> can be
> >> >> slower for RMW operations.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Signed-off-by: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>
> >> >> ---
> >> >>  rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs | 35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>  1 file changed, 35 insertions(+)
> >> >> 
> >> >> diff --git a/rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs b/rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs
> >> >> index 4aebeacb961a..d98ab51ae4fc 100644
> >> >> --- a/rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs
> >> >> +++ b/rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs
> >> >> @@ -560,3 +560,38 @@ pub fn fetch_add<Rhs, Ordering: ordering::Ordering>(&self, v: Rhs, _: Ordering)
> >> >>          unsafe { from_repr(ret) }
> >> >>      }
> >> >>  }
> >> >> +
> >> >> +/// An atomic flag type backed by `i32`.  
> >> > 
> >> > I would recommend that we document that the backing type is the
> >> > (perf-)optimal type on the target architecure, so arch can decide to use
> >> > i8 as backing type if they prefer.  
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure I fully understand the intent yet.
> >> 
> >> Do you mean we should document Flag as being backed by the
> >> (perf-)optimal integer type for the target architecture, so that the
> >> backing type can remain an implementation detail and potentially be
> >> selected per-arch (e.g. i8 on x86) via cfg?
> > 
> > Yes, I don't want anyone to rely on it being i32 (at least for now, before
> > a concrete use case of doing so appears).
> 
> I see, the following comment works for you?
> 
> I thought Boqun had Revocable in mind as the intended use case.
> 

Right, but To me, the most important thing is avoiding the misuse of
Atomic<bool>. A few cases when using Atomic<bool> is not recommended:

* when RmW operations can happen
* when using Atomic<bool> doesn't save memory (because of padding), e.g.
  SomeData(Atomic<bool>, i32)

hence the need of Atomic<Flag>. Therefore Atomic<Flag> needs to be:

1. performing better in contented cases than Atomic<bool>
2. maybe costing more memory than Atomic<bool> because of 1

in that sense, I think Gary's suggestion is reasonable (of course,
whether the space optimization of Atomic<Flag> has any actual value
remains to see, but it won't hurt to start with the possiblity).

FWIW, another usage is for call_once() where you want to use bool for
x86 and i32 for riscv, because using bool on riscv can actually cost
more memory.

[1}: https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/Zy_oj_k-qUPLSVEr@tardis.local/

Regards,
Boqun

> /// An atomic flag type.
> ///
> /// This type is a performance-oriented boolean for atomic operations.
> /// The integer type used as the backing representation is an implementation detail, selected to
> /// be (perf-)optimal for the target architecture.
> ///
> /// Currently, [`Flag`] uses an `i32` representation. This is because, on some architectures that
> /// do not support byte-sized atomic read-modify-write operations, RMW operations (e.g.
> /// `xchg()`/`cmpxchg()`) on `Atomic<bool>` can be slower than those on `Atomic<Flag>`.
> ///
> /// If you only use `load()`/`store()`, either `Atomic<bool>` or `Atomic<Flag>` is fine.
> 
[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-04  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-01 10:27 [PATCH v1] rust: sync: atomic: Add i32-backed Flag for atomic booleans FUJITA Tomonori
2026-01-01 21:04 ` Gary Guo
2026-01-03 10:44   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2026-01-03 19:05     ` Gary Guo
2026-01-03 21:53       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2026-01-04  8:36         ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2026-01-04 12:07 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08  5:17   ` FUJITA Tomonori

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