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From: Dirk Behme <dirk.behme@gmail.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Dirk Behme <dirk.behme@de.bosch.com>
Cc: "Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@redhat.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"FUJITA Tomonori" <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
	"Aakash Sen Sharma" <aakashsensharma@gmail.com>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:59:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <afa6d33a-c933-4996-8cdf-e1677772d63e@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZsyPezklN_tANFtQ@boqun-archlinux>

Am 26.08.24 um 16:21 schrieb Boqun Feng:
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 01:21:17PM +0200, Dirk Behme wrote:
>> Hi Lyude,
>>
>> On 02.08.2024 02:10, Lyude Paul wrote:
>>> This introduces a module for dealing with interrupt-disabled contexts,
>>> including the ability to enable and disable interrupts
>>> (with_irqs_disabled()) - along with the ability to annotate functions as
>>> expecting that IRQs are already disabled on the local CPU.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
>> ...
>>> diff --git a/rust/kernel/irq.rs b/rust/kernel/irq.rs
>>> new file mode 100644
>>> index 0000000000000..b52f8073e5cd0
>>> --- /dev/null
>>> +++ b/rust/kernel/irq.rs
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@
>>> +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>> +
>>> +//! Interrupt controls
>>> +//!
>>> +//! This module allows Rust code to control processor interrupts. [`with_irqs_disabled()`] may be
>>> +//! used for nested disables of interrupts, whereas [`IrqDisabled`] can be used for annotating code
>>> +//! that requires interrupts to be disabled.
>>> +
>>> +use bindings;
>>> +use core::marker::*;
>>> +
>>> +/// A token that is only available in contexts where IRQs are disabled.
>>> +///
>>> +/// [`IrqDisabled`] is marker made available when interrupts are not active. Certain functions take
>>> +/// an [`IrqDisabled`] in order to indicate that they may only be run in IRQ-free contexts.
>>> +///
>>> +/// This is a marker type; it has no size, and is simply used as a compile-time guarantee that
>>> +/// interrupts are disabled where required.
>>> +///
>>> +/// This token can be created by [`with_irqs_disabled`]. See [`with_irqs_disabled`] for examples and
>>> +/// further information.
>>> +#[derive(Copy, Clone, Debug, Ord, Eq, PartialOrd, PartialEq, Hash)]
>>> +pub struct IrqDisabled<'a>(PhantomData<(&'a (), *mut ())>);
>>> +
>>> +impl IrqDisabled<'_> {
>>> +    /// Create a new [`IrqDisabled`] without disabling interrupts.
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// This creates an [`IrqDisabled`] token, which can be passed to functions that must be run
>>> +    /// without interrupts. If debug assertions are enabled, this function will assert that
>>> +    /// interrupts are disabled upon creation. Otherwise, it has no size or cost at runtime.
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// # Panics
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// If debug assertions are enabled, this function will panic if interrupts are not disabled
>>> +    /// upon creation.
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// # Safety
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// This function must only be called in contexts where it is already known that interrupts have
>>> +    /// been disabled for the current CPU, as the user is making a promise that they will remain
>>> +    /// disabled at least until this [`IrqDisabled`] is dropped.
>>> +    pub unsafe fn new() -> Self {
>>> +        // SAFETY: FFI call with no special requirements
>>> +        debug_assert!(unsafe { bindings::irqs_disabled() });
>>> +
>>> +        Self(PhantomData)
>>> +    }
>>> +}
>>
>> I have some (understanding) questions for this IrqDisabled::new():
>>
>> 1. It looks to me that both examples, below in this file irq.rs nor the
>> with_irqs_disabled() example in spinlock.rs in the 3rd patch seem to use
>> IrqDisabled::new()? At least some debug pr_info() added here doesn't print
>> anything.
>>
>> What's the intended use case of IrqDisabled::new()? Do we have any example?
>>
>> I 'simulated' an interrupt handler where we know the interrupts are
>> disabled:
>>
>> let flags = unsafe { bindings::local_irq_save() }; // Simulate IRQ disable
>> of an interrupt handler
>> let mut g = foo.lock_with(unsafe {IrqDisabled::new() });
>> g.val = 42;
>> unsafe { bindings::local_irq_restore(flags) }; // Simulate IRQ re-enable of
>> an interrupt handler
>>
>> Is this the intended use case?
>>
>>
>> 2. If the example above is what is intended here, is it intended that this
>> has to be called unsafe{}?
>>
>> foo.lock_with(unsafe {IrqDisabled::new() });
>>
>>
>> 3. I somehow feel slightly uncomfortable with the debug_assert!().
>>
>> I understood that this is intended to be not in production code and only
>> enabled with RUST_DEBUG_ASSERTIONS for performance reasons? But I have some
>> doubts how many people have RUST_DEBUG_ASSERTIONS enabled? And disable it
>> for the production build?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be better to be on the safe side and have this check, always?
> 
> No, for example in your code example above, the IRQ is knon being
> disabled, so actually there's no point to check. The checking of course
> makes sense in a function where there is no IRQ	disable code, and you
> want to make sure it's only called when IRQ disabled. But that's
> something you want to make sure at development time rather than in the
> production.

I think I'm thinking the other way around ;)

Make sure I get a warning if I'm (as the developer) have done anything 
wrong in my assumption about the interrupt state my code is running with.

So cover the human failure case.


>> Wouldn't a permanent if statement checking this be safer for all cases?
> 
> I don't think so, it's just a checking, even if we enable this in the
> production, the best it could do is just telling us the code is
> incorrect.

Yes, exactly, this is what I'm looking for. Isn't this what the C's 
WARN_ONCE() & friends are about? Let the machine tell us that the 
programmer has done something wrong :)


> If one realy wants to make sure a function works in both IRQ
> disabled and enabled cases, he/she should check the irq status and
> handle it accordingly 

No, this is not what I'm looking for. I'm just about noticing the 
programming error case.

Best regards

Dirk


> e.g.
> 
> 	if (irqs_disabled()) {
> 		// irq is disabled, we can call it directly
> 		do_sth();
> 	} else {
> 		// Disable IRQ on our own.
> 		local_irq_disable();
> 		do_sth();
> 		local_irq_enabled();
> 	}
> 
>> Compare e.g. BUG_ON() or WARN_ONCE() or similar in the kernel's C code?
>>
>> Or could we invent anything more clever?
>>
> 
> I'm open to any new idea, but for the time being, I think the
> debug_assert!() makes more sense.
> 
> Regards,
> Boqun
> 
>>
> [...]
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-26 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-02  0:09 [PATCH v3 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2024-08-02  0:10 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module Lyude Paul
2024-08-14 17:10   ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-14 17:35   ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-14 19:38     ` Lyude Paul
2024-08-14 20:17       ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-14 20:44         ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-14 20:57           ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-15  4:53             ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-15  6:40               ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-15 16:02                 ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-15 21:05                   ` Lyude Paul
2024-08-15 21:31                     ` Lyude Paul
2024-08-15 21:46                       ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-15 22:13                         ` Lyude Paul
2024-08-16 15:28                           ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-15 21:41                     ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-15 21:43                       ` Lyude Paul
2024-08-15 20:31         ` Lyude Paul
2024-08-15 21:48           ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-26 11:21   ` Dirk Behme
2024-08-26 14:21     ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-26 14:59       ` Dirk Behme [this message]
2024-08-26 15:34         ` Boqun Feng
2024-08-02  0:10 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Lyude Paul
2024-08-20 10:26   ` Dirk Behme
2024-08-02  0:10 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2024-08-13 20:26 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] rust: Add irq abstraction, SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul

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