From: Alice Ryhl <alice@ryhl.io>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
aliceryhl@google.com, miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Rust abstractions for network device drivers
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 12:08:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c1b23f21-d161-6241-26fb-7a2cbc4c059c@ryhl.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7dbf3c85-02ca-4c9b-b40d-adcdb85305dd@lunn.ch>
On 6/16/23 22:04, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>> Yes, you can certainly put a WARN_ON in the destructor.
>>
>> Another possibility is to use a scope to clean up. I don't know anything
>> about these skb objects are used, but you could have the user define a
>> "process this socket" function that you pass a pointer to the skb, then make
>> the return value be something that explains what should be done with the
>> packet. Since you must return a value of the right type, this forces you to
>> choose.
>>
>> Of course, this requires that the processing of packets can be expressed as
>> a function call, where it only inspects the packet for the duration of that
>> function call. (Lifetimes can ensure that the skb pointer does not escape
>> the function.)
>>
>> Would something like that work?
>
> I don't think so, at least not in the contest of an Rust Ethernet
> driver.
>
> There are two main flows.
>
> A packet is received. An skb is allocated and the received packet is
> placed into the skb. The Ethernet driver then hands the packet over to
> the network stack. The network stack is free to do whatever it wants
> with the packet. Things can go wrong within the driver, so at times it
> needs to free the skb rather than pass it to the network stack, which
> would be a drop.
>
> The second flow is that the network stack has a packet it wants sent
> out an Ethernet port, in the form of an skb. The skb gets passed to
> the Ethernet driver. The driver will do whatever it needs to do to
> pass the contents of the skb to the hardware. Once the hardware has
> it, the driver frees the skb. Again, things can go wrong and it needs
> to free the skb without sending it, which is a drop.
>
> So the lifetime is not a simple function call.
>
> The drop reason indicates why the packet was dropped. It should give
> some indication of what problem occurred which caused the drop. So
> ideally we don't want an anonymous drop. The C code does not enforce
> that, but it would be nice if the rust wrapper to dispose of an skb
> did enforce it.
It sounds like a destructor with WARN_ON is the best approach right now.
Unfortunately, I don't think we can enforce that the destructor is not
used today. That said, in the future it may be possible to implement a
linter that detects it - I know that there have already been experiments
with other custom lints for the kernel (e.g., enforcing that you don't
sleep while holding a spinlock).
> I would also say that this dummy driver and the C dummy driver is
> actually wrong in 'dropping' the frame. Its whole purpose in life is to
> be a black hole. It should only drop the packet if for some reason it
> cannot throw the packet into the black hole.
Ah, I suppose that we would also need a "by value" cleanup method for
that case.
Alice
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-06-17 10:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-13 4:53 [PATCH 0/5] Rust abstractions for network device drivers FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-13 4:53 ` [PATCH 1/5] rust: core " FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-15 13:01 ` Benno Lossin
2023-06-21 13:13 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-25 9:52 ` Benno Lossin
2023-06-25 14:27 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-25 17:06 ` Benno Lossin
2023-06-21 22:44 ` Boqun Feng
2023-06-22 0:19 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-13 4:53 ` [PATCH 2/5] rust: add support for ethernet operations FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-13 7:19 ` Ariel Miculas
2023-06-15 13:03 ` Benno Lossin
2023-06-15 13:44 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-13 4:53 ` [PATCH 3/5] rust: add support for get_stats64 in struct net_device_ops FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-13 4:53 ` [PATCH 4/5] rust: add methods for configure net_device FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-15 13:06 ` Benno Lossin
2023-06-13 4:53 ` [PATCH 5/5] samples: rust: add dummy network driver FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-15 13:08 ` Benno Lossin
2023-06-22 0:23 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-15 6:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] Rust abstractions for network device drivers Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-15 8:58 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-16 2:19 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16 12:18 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-16 13:23 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-16 13:41 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-16 18:26 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16 20:05 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-16 13:04 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-16 18:31 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16 13:18 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-15 12:51 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-16 2:02 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16 3:47 ` Richard Cochran
2023-06-16 17:59 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-16 13:02 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-16 13:14 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-16 13:48 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-16 14:43 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-16 16:01 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-19 11:27 ` Emilio Cobos Álvarez
2023-06-20 18:09 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-20 19:12 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-06-21 12:30 ` Andreas Hindborg (Samsung)
2023-06-16 18:40 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16 19:00 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-06-16 19:10 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-16 19:23 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-06-16 20:04 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-17 10:08 ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2023-06-17 10:15 ` Greg KH
2023-06-19 8:50 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-19 9:46 ` Greg KH
2023-06-19 11:05 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2023-06-19 11:14 ` Greg KH
2023-06-19 13:20 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-20 11:16 ` David Laight
2023-06-20 15:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-20 16:56 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-06-20 17:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-20 17:55 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-16 12:28 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-06-16 13:20 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-06-16 13:24 ` Alice Ryhl
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