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From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add examples
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2024 14:33:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfd4841d-040b-4101-88be-3eb42f2139ab@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9959901D-0839-454C-9141-F0661C956AD5@collabora.com>

On 08.08.24 15:10, Daniel Almeida wrote:
> Hi Benno,
> 
>>
>> I will try to rephrase this, tell me if it helps. When checking if an
>> API is sound, you are not allowed to change the code behind the API.
>> That is because `unsafe` code often relies on the surrounding safe code
>> to work properly. In the example above, safe code ensures that the raw
>> pointer `ptr` is valid. This is OK (and also very necessary), since we
>> expect people to be *aware* of the `unsafe` block and thus more
>> carefully review the changes in surrounding safe code. If you have safe
>> code that only interfaces with other safe code you don't need to be this
>> careful.
>>
>> Note that this heavily depends on where you put the API boundary. In our
>> case, we generally have this boundary: driver code <-> `kernel` crate.
>> But if your driver requires very specific helper code that does not fit
>> into the `kernel` crate, then you might also have an API boundary there.
>>
>> If it doesn't help, then it would great to get some more detailed
>> questions which part(s) you need help with.
>>
>> ---
>> Cheers,
>> Benno
>>
>>
> 
> Yes, I think this is more clear, but note that this explanation is more thorough
> than the actual example.
> 
> My point being, maybe you should take some of what you just wrote and put it
> into the actual docs.

Yeah that was part of my plan :)

Thanks for taking a look.

---
Cheers,
Benno


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-08 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-17 22:12 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce the Rust Safety Standard Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] doc: rust: create safety standard Benno Lossin
2024-07-18  4:45   ` Greg KH
2024-07-24 19:13     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-25  4:57       ` Greg KH
2024-07-18 12:20   ` Alice Ryhl
2024-07-24 19:36     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-19 16:24   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 16:46     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-07-19 17:10     ` Danilo Krummrich
2024-07-19 18:09       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 19:20         ` Danilo Krummrich
2024-07-19 17:28     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-19 18:18       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 17:56     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-24 20:31     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-24 21:20       ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-24 21:28         ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-08 13:01       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-08-08 13:08         ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-19 22:11   ` Boqun Feng
2024-07-24 22:01     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-20  7:45   ` Dirk Behme
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add examples Benno Lossin
2024-07-19 16:28   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 16:36   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-25  7:47     ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-08 13:10       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-08-08 14:33         ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add guarantees and type invariants Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add safety requirements Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:13 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add justifications Benno Lossin

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