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From: Abdiel Janulgue <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>
To: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist bindings
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 10:11:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dad04702-17bc-4554-b64b-e57f34d371a7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DAY4I5PUNEHR.3UBD2WCPS1ZBV@nvidia.com>



On 28/06/2025 14:18, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> On Thu Jun 5, 2025 at 10:22 PM JST, Abdiel Janulgue wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 30/05/2025 17:02, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>>> On Thu May 29, 2025 at 9:45 AM JST, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 01:14:05AM +0300, Abdiel Janulgue wrote:
>>>>> +impl SGEntry<Unmapped> {
>>>>> +    /// Set this entry to point at a given page.
>>>>> +    pub fn set_page(&mut self, page: &Page, length: u32, offset: u32) {
>>>>> +        let c: *mut bindings::scatterlist = self.0.get();
>>>>> +        // SAFETY: according to the `SGEntry` invariant, the scatterlist pointer is valid.
>>>>> +        // `Page` invariant also ensures the pointer is valid.
>>>>> +        unsafe { bindings::sg_set_page(c, page.as_ptr(), length, offset) };
>>>>> +    }
>>>>> +}
>>>>
>>>> Wrong safety statement. sg_set_page captures the page.as_ptr() inside
>>>> the C datastructure so the caller must ensure it holds a reference on
>>>> the page while it is contained within the scatterlist.
>>>>
>>>> Which this API doesn't force to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Most likely for this to work for rust you have to take a page
>>>> reference here and ensure the page reference is put back during sg
>>>> destruction. A typical normal pattern would 'move' the reference from
>>>> the caller into the scatterlist.
>>>
>>> As Jason mentioned, we need to make sure that the backing pages don't get
>>> dropped while the `SGTable` is alive. The example provided unfortunately fails
>>> to do that:
>>>
>>>       let sgt = SGTable::alloc_table(4, GFP_KERNEL)?;
>>>       let sgt = sgt.init(|iter| {
>>>           for sg in iter {
>>>               sg.set_page(&Page::alloc_page(GFP_KERNEL)?, PAGE_SIZE as u32, 0);
>>>           }
>>>           Ok(())
>>>       })?;
>>>
>>> Here the allocated `Page`s are dropped immediately after their address is
>>> written by `set_page`, giving the device access to memory that may now be used
>>> for completely different purposes. As long as the `SGTable` exists, the memory
>>> it points to must not be released or reallocated in any way.
>>
>>
>> Hi just a silly observation while trying to think about other ways to
>> tie the page lifetime to the sgtable. Why can't we just use a lifetime
>> bound annotation?
>>
>> It's simpler and it seems to work:
>>
>>
>> impl<'b> SGEntry<'b, Unmapped> {
>>       pub fn set_page<'a: 'b> (&mut self, page: &'a Page, length: u32,
>> offset: u32)
>>
>> So with this, my erroneous example fails to compile. Here the compiler
>> enforces the use  of the api so that the page of the lifetime is always
>> tied to the sgtable:
>>
>>
>> let sgt = sgt.init(|iter| {
>>      |                             ---- has type
>> `kernel::scatterlist::SGTableIterMut<'1>`
>> 71 |             for sg in iter {
>>      |                 -- assignment requires that borrow lasts for `'1`
>> 72 |                 sg.set_page(&Page::alloc_page(GFP_KERNEL)?,
>> PAGE_SIZE as u32, 0);
>>      |                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>                - temporary value is freed at the end of this statement
>>      |                              |
>>      |                              creates a temporary value which is
>> freed while still in use
> 
> That would work for this example, but IIUC the bound lifetime will also
> prevent you from doing any sort of dynamic lifetime management using a
> smart pointer, meaning you cannot store the SGTable into another object?
> 
> Whereas storing any generic owner lets use pass a regular reference
> (which lifetime will thus propagate to the SGTable) to serve your
> example, but also works with any smart pointer.

Thanks for the explanation, indeed that's the limitation if we use a 
lifetime bound on SGTable.
Anyways, I just submitted the v2[1] which should be able to enforce the 
ownership of the pages to the SGTable.

/Abdiel

[1]https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20250626203247.816273-1-abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com/




  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-30  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-28 22:14 [PATCH 0/2] rust: add initial scatterlist abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-05-28 22:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist bindings Abdiel Janulgue
2025-05-29  0:45   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-29 14:14     ` Petr Tesařík
2025-05-29 14:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 14:02     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-30 14:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 14:44         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-30 14:50           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 15:18             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-31 12:54             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-02 11:40               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-02 12:25                 ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-02 12:41                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-04 18:21       ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-05  5:51         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-05 13:30           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-05 13:56             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-09 17:44               ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-18  1:03                 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-26 20:31                   ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-26 22:43                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-26 23:44                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-06-28 11:07                     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-05 13:22       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-06-28 11:18         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-06-30  7:11           ` Abdiel Janulgue [this message]
2025-06-05 15:35       ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-05 16:02         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-05 16:18           ` Boqun Feng
2025-05-30 11:04   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-05-28 22:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] samples: rust: add sample code for " Abdiel Janulgue

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