From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk (zeniv.linux.org.uk [62.89.141.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB281309EF0; Mon, 22 Sep 2025 13:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1758548788; cv=none; b=aG3p09ZCA49f7H1S4sWjafwAEooT32f6Udr/Gc4+xZyg4WYaPDCg5knfYRROtLQiOK9IxyAdQlN8a4Q/LDQ4NHVA9gP0IPndSfYa111P5IO5VNdx4hHvGfLp6kbwCnjcaRK1RG6uaxOkYYtvnyMA6WY7zkgtgh2yY4XB//1lVUU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1758548788; c=relaxed/simple; bh=1Na/PXc1OmcfeFacTEjh6XEbbpa3VJHswfhmNe3NbHc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=uaZRfcOvPYl+SD+IRTG5GBHtjxPd3miT07AxAfO6ANpUTp6oekWwzsNDBV/K9R5ARlMieE/SMazhXMN9Q50m4XgnXTORzxv+1AQL+KFx4gAdXd0HJ4cxDmrRfUOb9X+l/hkxyzV56N8lOzLsjCFlT9B9jtoq8xvoJyLdxSUjCh4= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b=Dnpn51jQ; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b="Dnpn51jQ" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.org.uk; s=zeniv-20220401; h=Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=Z6fx5aNZ2ce4UxQDtdkE0266D9AEXw8fQmHwLhiq+Fk=; b=Dnpn51jQ/jwhmAayTj+/c8lCOz JMsiJ0IdL5xb1RnvvMui2lYvMH/70nVyC3dhnU2zfWd2n9SVo0L4P3yeG4rqZFk/565FsYS9tWNEi /45LkngeD1f0MOBZxA7CWERp75vJ9B6l/OAZdTcFJC8qdv1/hr4v8qFOtriGcOi4GWSRzIMt74gjT SIkTQY+LEjaDX7TLfzGdngqjmSa4FZQVhIlIy7xByREOEsL49Kbw3GHbolW7DfTW6avZ3FK9p52to jXWSHOr4V/FvFPbtb+uFB+pDEA1b29/iFIpnSk62/YTaph7rXFimJiOKO4e59f1W03OmGSyqUSNiV XpX4efFw==; Received: from viro by zeniv.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1v0gs3-0000000Frxq-2GAt; Mon, 22 Sep 2025 13:46:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 14:46:23 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Stephen Smalley Cc: Paul Moore , selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, kees@kernel.org, casey@schaufler-ca.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, john.johansen@canonical.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 31/39] convert selinuxfs Message-ID: <20250922134623.GS39973@ZenIV> References: <20250920074156.GK39973@ZenIV> <20250920074759.3564072-1-viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> <20250920074759.3564072-31-viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> <20250921214110.GN39973@ZenIV> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: selinux@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: Al Viro On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 08:34:02AM -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: > Is there a reason why these patches weren't sent to selinux list in > the first place? Will Cc on the next posting of that series. > In any event, yes, Android userspace (in particular the Android init > program) relies on /sys/fs/selinux/null at a point where /dev/null > does not yet exist [1]. Hence, I don't believe we can drop it since it > would break userspace. Pity. Oh, well...