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From: Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au>
To: selinux@vger.kernel.org,
	Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>
Cc: jwcart2@gmail.com, plautrba@redhat.com, omosnace@redhat.com,
	jason@perfinion.com, paul@paul-moore.com,
	"Johannes Segitz" <jsegitz@suse.de>, "Cathy Hu" <cahu@suse.de>,
	"Laurent Bigonville" <bigon@debian.org>,
	"Thiébaud Weksteen" <tweek@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] libsepol: drop support for policy versions before xperms_ioctl/xen_devicetree
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2026 05:51:34 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w4OjP80sRkGXeAp6-RIM3g@coker.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEjxPJ6rfWUxzBgdKcAw-s_hrwK_xo-CAzvcTO4vAr7buVA+8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tuesday, 1 September 2026 04:01:05 AEST Stephen Smalley wrote:
> This would break e.g. RHEL 7, Debian 9, Ubuntu 16.04, or SUSE/SLES 12
> if they ever updated to a version of libsepol with this change but I
> think that's unlikely.

I have no interest in Debian 9.  If someone wants to update a Debian 9 system 
to a current version of libsepol I'm not bothered if it breaks totally.

> The greater risk is if you have any lingering binary modules compiled
> with versions < 18 inherited across multiple upgrades (e.g. RHEL-7 to
> RHEL-8), then those modules will break and probably in a not-very-nice
> way (libsepol suddenly won't be able to parse them and therefore any
> semodule/semanage operations will fail and you might have to delete
> them manually from the policy module store).

Binary modules aren't something I'm interested in for Debian.  Just don't use 
modules unless you have the .te file.

> I'm fine with deferring this change to a future libsepol release after
> 3.12 (e.g. 3.13 or later) if that would be safer for the distros.

I don't think there's a reason to delay.

Also last I checked the current git refpolicy compiled with the recent 
libsepol etc causes a kernel panic on the Debian 13 kernels.  So if we don't 
get that fixed then the Debian 14 kernel will be required for any sort of new 
policy.

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-31 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-27 12:55 [PATCH v5] libsepol: drop support for policy versions before xperms_ioctl/xen_devicetree Stephen Smalley
2026-08-31 18:01 ` Stephen Smalley
2026-08-31 19:51   ` Russell Coker [this message]
2026-08-31 19:56     ` Stephen Smalley
2026-09-01  8:40   ` Cathy Hu
2026-09-04 12:50     ` Stephen Smalley
2026-09-04 15:13       ` Stephen Smalley
2026-09-07 15:27         ` Johannes Segitz

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