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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Vincenzo Frascino" <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Andreas Larsson" <andreas@gaisler.com>,
	"Nagarathnam Muthusamy" <nagarathnam.muthusamy@oracle.com>,
	"Nick Alcock" <nick.alcock@oracle.com>,
	"John Stultz" <jstultz@google.com>,
	"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	"John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/13] sparc64: vdso: Implement clock_getres()
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 15:17:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b0acf633-ea94-4222-b5d8-12996b250e69@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250818141851-c185a57d-3081-479c-a32a-add4e5600f3e@linutronix.de>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, at 15:00, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 08:54:53AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, at 07:50, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
>> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 10:09:23PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> 
>> The glibc code has a weird mixup of the time32 and time64
>> function names, but from what I can tell, it only ever sets
>> dl_vdso_clock_getres_time64 on 64-bit architectures, where it
>> gets set to the normal clock_getres vdso symbol. On 32-bit,
>> glibc always skips vdso_clock_getres_time64() since it
>> does not exist, and then it always calls clock_getres_time64()
>> through the syscall interface, unless it runs on pre-5.6
>> kernels that fall back to the time32 vdso or syscall.
>
> Ack.
>
> So with 'time64 userspace', you mean '32-bit, time64 userspace', correct?

Yes

>> Two related points:
>> 
>> - something we could add on all 32-bit architectures after
>>   everything uses the generic vdso implementation is
>>   vdso_gettimeofday_time64(), this can shave off a few cycles
>>   because it avoids a division that may be expensive on some
>>   architectures, making it marginally more useful than
>>   vdso_clock_getres_time64().
>
> You mean this division in __cvdso_gettimeofday_data()?
>
> 	tv->tv_usec = (u32)ts.tv_nsec / NSEC_PER_USEC;
>
> Switching the subseconds field to nanoseconds to avoid the division and the
> seconds field to 64bit to avoid overflows brings us back to
> 'struct __kernel_timespec' again, no? What would be the advantage of this over
> vdso_clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts)?

I misremembered what the current code does. As you point out,
there is a division by NSEC_PER_USEC in the vdso as well, so
there is no difference between libc calling vdso_clock_gettime()
and vdso_gettimeofday() in the number of divisions.

If we wanted to optimize this bit, the division would need
to be folded into vdso_calc_ns()/mul_u64_u32_add_u64_shr(),
which is nontrivial.

>> - there is one catch on sparc64 in the way it defines
>>   __kernel_old_timeval with a 32-bit __kernel_suseconds_t,
>>   unlike all other 64-bit architectures. This is incompatible
>>   with glibc's __timeval64 definition on sparc32, so there
>>   would need to be a special case for sparc32 somewhere,
>>   either in the kernel or in glibc.
>
> This is only a problem together with vdso_gettimeofday() from above, right?

Correct. I took a look at your sparc64 gettimeofday() to make
sure it uses the correct types and that seems fine since it
gets the __kernel_old_timeval structure definition from the
the sparc64 uapi headers.

     Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-15 10:41 [PATCH v2 00/13] sparc64: vdso: Switch to generic vDSO library Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] vdso: Add struct __kernel_old_timeval forward declaration to gettime.h Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] sparc64: vdso: Link with -z noexecstack Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] sparc64: vdso: Remove obsolete "fake section table" reservation Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] sparc64: vdso: Replace code patching with runtime conditional Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] sparc64: vdso: Move hardware counter read into header Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] sparc64: vdso: Move syscall fallbacks " Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] sparc64: vdso: Introduce vdso/processor.h Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] sparc64: vdso: Switch to the generic vDSO library Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-25 15:55   ` Andreas Larsson
2025-08-26  5:56     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-28 15:38       ` Andreas Larsson
2025-08-29 10:02         ` Andreas Larsson
2025-08-29 10:37           ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-29 10:40             ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-08-29 10:52               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-29 15:24                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-01 15:17                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-02  6:21                   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-29 13:41             ` Andreas Larsson
2025-08-29 13:51               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-29 14:05               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-29 16:35                 ` Andreas Larsson
2025-08-29 17:07                   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-09-01 14:28                     ` Andreas Larsson
2025-09-01 14:59                       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-09-01 19:05                         ` Andreas Larsson
2025-08-29 15:44               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] sparc64: vdso2c: Drop sym_vvar_start handling Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] sparc64: vdso2c: Remove symbol handling Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] sparc64: vdso: Implement clock_gettime64() Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] sparc64: vdso: Implement clock_getres() Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 12:13   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-08-15 12:34     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-15 20:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-08-18  5:50         ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-18  6:54           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-08-18 13:00             ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-08-18 13:17               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2025-08-15 10:41 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] clocksource: remove ARCH_CLOCKSOURCE_DATA Thomas Weißschuh

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