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From: Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] crypto: powerpc/md5 - Remove PowerPC optimized MD5 code
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 08:21:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f0d771d5-ed70-444c-957a-ad4c16f6c115@csgroup.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250804230926.GD54248@google.com>



Le 05/08/2025 à 01:09, Eric Biggers a écrit :
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 10:59:01PM +0000, Eric Biggers wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 09:02:27PM +0200, Christophe Leroy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 04/08/2025 à 20:09, Eric Biggers a écrit :
>>>> On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 07:42:15PM +0200, Christophe Leroy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 03/08/2025 à 22:44, Eric Biggers a écrit :
>>>>>> MD5 is insecure, is no longer commonly used, and has never been
>>>>>> optimized for the most common architectures in the kernel.  Only mips,
>>>>>> powerpc, and sparc have optimized MD5 code in the kernel.  Of these,
>>>>>> only the powerpc one is actually testable in QEMU.  The mips one works
>>>>>> only on Cavium Octeon SoCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taken together, it's clear that it's time to retire these additional MD5
>>>>>> implementations, and focus maintenance on the MD5 generic C code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, for me it is not that clear. Even if MD5 is depracated we still have
>>>>> several applications that use MD5 for various reasons on our boards.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran the test on kernel v6.16 with following file:
>>>>>
>>>>> # ls -l avion.au
>>>>> -rw-------    1 root     root      12130159 Jan  1  1970 avion.au
>>>>>
>>>>> With CONFIG_CRYPTO_MD5_PPC:
>>>>>
>>>>> # time md5sum avion.au
>>>>> 6513851d6109d42477b20cd56bf57f28  avion.au
>>>>> real    0m 1.02s
>>>>> user    0m 0.01s
>>>>> sys     0m 1.01s
>>>>>
>>>>> Without CONFIG_CRYPTO_MD5_PPC:
>>>>>
>>>>> # time md5sum avion.au
>>>>> 6513851d6109d42477b20cd56bf57f28  avion.au
>>>>> real    0m 1.35s
>>>>> user    0m 0.01s
>>>>> sys     0m 1.34s
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the difference is big enough to consider keeping optimised MD5 code.
>>>>
>>>> But md5sum doesn't use the kernel's MD5 code.  So it's implausible that
>>>> it has any effect on md5sum.  The difference you saw must be due to an
>>>> unrelated reason like I/O caching, CPU frequency, etc.  Try running your
>>>> test multiple times to eliminate other sources of variation.
>>>
>>> md5sum uses the kernel's MD5 code:
>>>
>>> libkcapi.so.1 => /usr/lib/libkcapi.so.1 (0x6ffa0000)    <==
> 
> Oh, I think you used the obscure implementation of md5sum from
> libkcapi-tools, instead of the normal md5sum.  Why?  Did you check how
> the normal md5sum performs too?  Just doing the calculation in userspace
> is much more efficient.

Calculation in userspace is less efficient on my board:

# time md5sum avion.au
6513851d6109d42477b20cd56bf57f28  avion.au
real    0m 1.87s
user    0m 1.51s
sys     0m 0.35s

Christophe

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-05  6:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-03 20:44 [PATCH 0/7] MD5 library functions Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 1/7] mips: cavium-octeon: Remove Octeon optimized MD5 code Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 2/7] mips: cavium-octeon: Move octeon-crypto.c into parent dir Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 3/7] crypto: powerpc/md5 - Remove PowerPC optimized MD5 code Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 22:07   ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-08-03 22:14     ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 22:27       ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-08-03 22:56         ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-04 17:42   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-08-04 18:09     ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-04 19:02       ` Christophe Leroy
2025-08-04 22:59         ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-04 23:09           ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-05  6:21             ` Christophe Leroy [this message]
2025-08-05  4:49           ` Crypto use cases (was: Remove PowerPC optimized MD5 code) Simon Richter
2025-08-05  4:58             ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-05  7:17               ` Crypto use cases Simon Richter
2025-08-05 17:15                 ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-05  6:27           ` [PATCH 3/7] crypto: powerpc/md5 - Remove PowerPC optimized MD5 code Christophe Leroy
2025-08-05 16:16             ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 4/7] crypto: sparc/md5 - Remove SPARC64 " Eric Biggers
2025-08-04  4:44   ` Simon Richter
2025-08-04  6:07     ` Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 5/7] lib/crypto: md5: Add MD5 and HMAC-MD5 library functions Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 6/7] crypto: md5 - Wrap library and add HMAC support Eric Biggers
2025-08-03 20:44 ` [PATCH 7/7] lib/crypto: tests: Add KUnit tests for MD5 and HMAC-MD5 Eric Biggers

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