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From: Walker, Benjamin <benjamin.walker at intel.com>
To: spdk@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [SPDK] Set not only O_DIRECT but also O_DSYNC to BDEV_AIO
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:59:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1510855185.2692.15.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: FB0B9576-F099-447A-A86C-848CFC2507B3@intel.com

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On Thu, 2017-11-16 at 15:33 +0000, Harris, James R wrote:
> It still seems like O_DSYNC should be a nop on NVMe SSDs that do not have a
> volatile write cache.  Certainly, adding O_DSYNC should not improve
> performance as Cunyin showed in his latest data.  I suspect some of these
> differences must still be related to preconditioning.

I agree - there has to be something else going on here. Sending flushes after
every I/O should make the drive slower (or have no impact), not faster.


> On 11/15/17, 5:39 PM, "SPDK on behalf of 松本周平 / MATSUMOTO,SHUUHEI" <spdk-bounc
> es(a)lists.01.org on behalf of shuhei.matsumoto.xt(a)hitachi.com> wrote:
>     I want to add our team's experience about AIO + only O_DIRECT.
>     We have observed that
>     - if only O_DIRECT is set, any IO succeeded even if HDD was hot removed.
>     - if both O_DIRECT and O_DSYNC, any IO failed if HDD was hot removed.

Is this experience based on experiments with HDDs? I assume those HDDs have a
volatile write cache, since most do. What if another explanation is that AIO
reported the I/O complete after the write to the HDD completed successfully,
then the drive was hot removed prior to a flush being sent? In that case, the
data would be lost even though the write I/O completed successfully. This would
also explain why O_DIRECT plus O_DSYNC fixes the problem - it first sends the
write which succeeds, but then tries to send a flush immediately which fails
because the device was hot removed between the two commands.

I really would like to avoid adding O_DSYNC if we can find a way to make the
code strictly correct in terms of data integrity. That option should have a
large negative impact on performance for devices that have a volatile write
cache (HDDs, consumer SSDs).


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             reply	other threads:[~2017-11-16 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-16 17:59 Walker, Benjamin [this message]
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2017-11-17  0:23 [SPDK] Set not only O_DIRECT but also O_DSYNC to BDEV_AIO 
2017-11-17  0:08 
2017-11-16 15:33 Harris, James R
2017-11-16  3:43 
2017-11-16  2:41 Chang, Cunyin
2017-11-16  0:39 
2017-11-15  6:02 
2017-11-15  1:06 
2017-11-15  0:38 Chang, Cunyin
2017-11-14 18:01 Walker, Benjamin
2017-11-14 15:56 Harris, James R
2017-11-14  9:31 
2017-11-14  9:26 
2017-11-14  8:07 Chang, Cunyin
2017-11-14  7:47 Yang, Ziye
2017-11-14  7:41 

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