From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: <1373933850.17876.224.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) From: Steven Rostedt To: Guenter Roeck Cc: Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:17:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20130715231555.GA24650@roeck-us.net> References: <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130715231555.GA24650@roeck-us.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 16:15 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: > > One thing you should keep in mind in your discussion is what can happen > if people get too polite with each other. > > I have seen this happen at two large companies I worked for. Early on, flames > are acceptable and expected as response to someone publishing bad code which > breaks everything for everyone. Then, at some point, it is not acceptable > anymore to flame, and one is expected to be polite and friendly at all times. > "Your code breaks the build for every platform. Would you please kindly > consider fixing it ?" > Result is that code quality suffers, to the point where images don't even > build anymore. > > I hope the Linux kernel never gets into that stage. To avoid that, > I am willing to be cursed at by Linus if I am the responsible party. Didn't Jim Zemlin show some research where there were two groups: One that did a bunch of brain storming where no idea was a bad idea The other required you to defend your idea while the others bashed it. The results always showed that the second group not only did a better job, but also faster and more efficient. I'm afraid if we worry too much about politeness, we will fall into that first group. -- Steve