From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: <1373988467.12825.18.camel@envy.home> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review From: Darren Hart To: Kees Cook Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:27:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20130716150940.GP17379@outflux.net> References: <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <20130716150940.GP17379@outflux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 08:09 -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 04:30:45PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Sarah Sharp > > wrote: > > > I should not have to ask for professional behavior on the mailing lists. > > > Professional behavior should be the default. > > > > So, what does "professional" mean? A professional is paid for his work, an > > amateur isn't. But this doesn't say anything about code quality, maintainer > > responsiveness, etc. > > Does it imply behavior that (hopefully) keeps getting you paid? > > I think we're getting hung up on this specific phrase. I've interpreted > this issue with lkml communication as a need to avoid bullying. I think > "no bullying", while still up for heavy interpretation, is better to > focus on than "being professional". > Agreed. The swearing will continue until code quality improves. The bit I can get behind is the avoidance of personal attacks. Some on this thread have argued that instances of such attacks are now few and far between. Is that the case? How many are we talking about? 10/day? 10/year? Is it truly only the lieutenants getting public lashings? I understand that it is the environment itself, the accepted norms, the "standard you walk past" (as Sarah has quoted) that is the real focus. So yes, let's not get hung up on professional/unprofessional or any other such subjective term or fall into the PC traps. -- Darren Hart Intel Open Source Technology Center Yocto Project - Linux Kernel