Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML

Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17T17:56:16Z

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> >> The last thing I want to do is to lower the quality of the kernel just
> >> to get a wider range of developers.
> >
> > Can we stop bringing the quality of the code into the discussion?
>
> Can you please stop calling open communication abuse?

Open communication is one thing, abuse is another, so I agree with you
there.

> First you have
> to explain *why* it was improper in order to call it abuse, and in the
> few examples that have been shown, it has been explained that the
> behavior was justified (breaking the #1 rule by a lieutenant who
> should know better).

Abuse is never justified, I hope that's clear for everybody.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

So we are down to the definition of verbal abuse.
The Oxford dictionary gives me:

"speak to (someone) in an insulting and offensive way"

For example I think that calling somebody a moron qualifies.

> > I think it's pretty clear that one doesn't need to be verbally abusive
> > in order to stop bad code from getting into the kernel.
>
> You can think whatever you want, others have already shown that
> changing the tone of the message in the examples would have changed
> the desired effect.

I disagree and it is certainly not the case in my experience.