Re: mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)

Ingo Molnar
2013-07-22T10:55:51Z

* Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22:56AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:39:07PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Sarah Sharp
> > > > > <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, FFS, I just called out on private email for "playing the victim
> > > > > > card". I will repeat: this is not just about me, or other minorities.
> > > > > > I should not have to ask for professional behavior on the mailing lists.
> > > > > > Professional behavior should be the default.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm
> > > > > not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The
> > > > > same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to
> > > > > buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and
> > > > > backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because
> > > > > THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all
> > > > > kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their
> > > > > normal urges in unnatural ways.
> > > >
> > > > Sarah, that's a pretty potent argument by Linus, that "acting
> > > > professionally" risks replacing a raw but honest culture with a
> > > > polished but dishonest culture - which is harmful to developing
> > > > good technology.
> > > >
> > > > That's a valid concern. What's your reply to that argument?
> > >
> > > I don't feel the need to comment, because I feel it's a straw man
> > > argument. I feel that way because I disagree with the definition of
> > > professionalism that people have been pushing.
> >
> > I hope you won't take this as a sign of disrespect, but it's hard to keep
> > up with your somewhat fluid opinion about what exactly you find
> > objectionable :-/
>
> The good news is you're confused because I've been influenced by some of
> the arguments people have made on this thread. As a result, my
> viewpoints may have changed subtly, [...]

It's nice to see such flexiblity!

Thanks for the very detailed description of your opinion, it's a very
constructive approach.

My opinion is flexible and subject to change as well - and I agree that
this is better discussed at the KS.

Thanks,

Ingo