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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, glin@suse.de,
	agraf@suse.de, brogers@suse.de, afaerber@suse.de,
	lnussel@suse.de, edk2-devel@lists.sf.net, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: mmu: allow page tables to be in read-only slots
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:26:38 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130902162638.GH10142@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5224B517.3000602@redhat.com>

On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:56:07PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 02/09/2013 12:07, Gleb Natapov ha scritto:
> > On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 06:00:39PM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> >> On 09/02/2013 05:25 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:20:15PM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> >>>> On 08/30/2013 08:41 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >>>>> Page tables in a read-only memory slot will currently cause a triple
> >>>>> fault because the page walker uses gfn_to_hva and it fails on such a slot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OVMF uses such a page table; however, real hardware seems to be fine with
> >>>>> that as long as the accessed/dirty bits are set.  Save whether the slot
> >>>>> is readonly, and later check it when updating the accessed and dirty bits.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paolo, do you know why OVMF is using readonly memory like this?
> >>>>
> >>> Just a guess, but perhaps they want to move to paging mode as early as
> >>> possible even before memory controller is fully initialized.
> >>>
> >>>> AFAIK, The fault trigged by this kind of access can hardly be fixed by
> >>>> userspace since the fault is trigged by pagetable walking not by the current
> >>>> instruction. Do you have any idea to let uerspace emulate it properly?
> >>> Not sure what userspace you mean here, but there shouldn't be a fault in the
> >>
> >> I just wonder how to fix this kind of fault. The current patch returns -EACCES
> >> but that will crash the guest. I think we'd better let userspace to fix this
> >> error (let userspace set the D/A bit.)
> >>
> > Ugh, this is not good. Missed that. Don't know what real HW will do
> > here, but the easy thing for us to do would be to just return success.
> 
> Real hardware would just do a memory write.  What happens depends on
> what is on the bus, i.e. on what the ROM is used for.
> 
> QEMU uses read-only slots for two things: actual read-only memory where
> writes go to the bitbucket, and "ROMD" memory where writes are treated
> as MMIO.
> 
> So, in the first case we would ignore the write.  In the second we would
> do an MMIO exit to userspace.  But ignoring the write isn't always
> correct, and doing an MMIO exit is complicated, so I would just kill the
> guest.
> 
> EPT will probably write to the read-only slots without thinking much
> about it.
> 
> My patch injects a page fault, which is very likely to escalate to a
> triple fault.  This is probably never what you want---on the other hand,
> I wasn't sure what level of accuracy we want in this case, given that
> EPT does it wrong too.
> 
Just ignoring write into RO slot is OK. We do not handle page tables in
MMIO memory, so handling page tables in ROMD memory shouldn't be a
priority either. 

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-02 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-30 12:41 [PATCH] KVM: mmu: allow page tables to be in read-only slots Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-01  9:17 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02  9:42   ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-09-02  9:49     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02 10:05       ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-09-02 10:11         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02 15:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-02 16:27             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-14 15:28   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-02  9:20 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-09-02  9:25   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02 10:00     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-09-02 10:07       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02 15:56         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-02 16:26           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2013-09-02 16:00     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-02 16:16       ` Gleb Natapov

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