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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	1vier1@web.de, Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@parallels.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ipc/sem.c: Update/correct memory barriers.
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 14:22:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150301132232.GA20691@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150228214533.GY5029@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 02/28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 09:36:15PM +0100, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> > +/*
> > + * Place this after a control barrier (such as e.g. a spin_unlock_wait())
> > + * to ensure that reads cannot be moved ahead of the control_barrier.
> > + * Writes do not need a barrier, they are not speculated and thus cannot
> > + * pass the control barrier.
> > + */
> > +#ifndef smp_mb__after_control_barrier
> > +#define smp_mb__after_control_barrier()	smp_rmb()
> > +#endif
>
> Sorry to go bike shedding again; but should we call this:
>
> smp_acquire__after_control_barrier() ?
>
> The thing is; its not a full MB because:
>
>  - stores might actually creep into it; while the control dependency
>    guarantees stores will not creep out, nothing is stopping them from
>    getting in;
>
>  - its not transitive, and our MB is defined to be so.

I agree, so perhaps it should be named smp_acquire_after_unlock_wait ?
even if it is actually stronger than "acquire"...

To me "control_barrier" looks a bit confusing. I think this helper should
be only used after spin_unlock_wait() or spin_is_locked/unlocked(). In this
case it is clear that this "barrier" pairs with release semantics of
spin_unlock(). And we use it because we want to serialize with that unlock,
as if we are taking this lock.

But I won't insist.

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-01 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-28 20:36 [PATCH] ipc/sem.c: Update/correct memory barriers Manfred Spraul
2015-02-28 21:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-28 23:34   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-03-01 13:28     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-01 13:22   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2015-03-01 16:07     ` Manfred Spraul
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-03-01 16:18 Manfred Spraul
2015-03-01 19:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-09 17:55 Manfred Spraul
2015-08-10  8:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-12 13:31 ` Oleg Nesterov

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